Re: I have a dream :-)

The value of open source in WO's case has nothing to do with the  
quality of the offering and everything to do with acceptance in the  
places where we all do our livings. The blaze of interest in Ruby on  
Rails and the lesser interest in the profusion of non-mainstream j2ee  
frameworks tells me that the market is seeking something better than  
the standard j2ee and .Net offerings.

What Cocoa's success can tell us is that even when we've given up on a  
technology for lost it is still possible for it to come back. People  
know that Cocoa will have a life because it runs on all these Macs,  
iPods, and iPhones and it is important to Apple's success. People  
don't know that about WebObjects. It is not likely but is possible at  
least that if WO were open-sourced that it would revive in the larger  
market. As a very minor Apple product the likelihood is close to zero.

Jim


On Sep 30, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:

> Hi!
>
>  Cocoa is not open source, and it rocks mac desktop. Why does WO  
> need to be? WO just needs Apple to... well... fix its bugs, build  
> new features, and... advertise it.
>
>  My version of the dream: WWDC 200*, Keynote speech, about 20  
> minutes long after all the blablabla about how many millions of  
> iPods were sold, "About that iPhone SDK... well, we have something  
> called WebObjects a long time ago (big, huge applause from 10% of  
> the room)"...
>
>  Yours
>
> Miguel Arroz
>
> On 2007/09/30, at 14:27, Stephane Guyot wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> last night as FTO ( Fantomatic Technical Officer) , I directly  
>> report to Steve.
>>
>> I just dispose of only 2 minutes to convince Steve that opensource  
>> WebObjects may have a big Hallo Effect for Apple.
>> The WO team agree with me and all WO developpers too, the challenge  
>> is big for the Community.
>> I take the lift, door of the office is open, today's rumor says  
>> that Steve is in good mood, go.
>>
>> Fantomic : Hi Steve
>> Steve : Hi Fantomic
>>
>> Fantomic : Well, the web is a mess , Apple can still come back in  
>> the war on the server side. J2EE is a nightmare, bad design, too  
>> much of JSR, most of J2EE projects fails.
>> WebObjects, is simple , very light , very efficient, Steve ,  
>> WebObjects is a bomb. Today the only drawback with WO is that, it's  
>> not opensource.
>> I think we need to decide under what kind of License we can  
>> opensource WO.  We need to avoid the cacophonic coding of most  
>> opensource project,
>> we just need to keep the hand of the design and future of the  
>> technology. Anycase, today the big challenge is no more on the  
>> server side, RIA are future of the net.
>>
>> Steve : Fantomatic, you speaks about war and bomb, what did you  
>> have in mind, Iraqi ?
>> Look at WebKit. Adobe is using WebKit for AIR, they are simply  
>> laughing at us.
>>
>> (I'm a little bit disappointed, I think Adobe is a big player on  
>> the RIA, perhaps buying Adobe would be the best thing we can do ,  
>> but I can't say that to Steve.
>> Fucking words, as a frenchy guy, I just wants to avoid the Iraqi  
>> war subject, I remember the ONU speech of the french prime  
>> minister, but in the same time I'm feeling better,
>> Frenchy are not always saying stupid things )
>>
>> Fantomatic : We needs to "Think Different", WO was simply ten years  
>> ahead ot his time.
>>
>>
>> (Steve's iPhone beeps. 2 minutes it's very short.)
>>
>> Steve : I will decide soon.
>> Fantomatic : Great, do the right choice.
>>
>>
>> I just came out, I saw the next iPhone on the desk, but it's under  
>> NDA :-)
>>
>> Sincerly yours,
>> Fantomic
>>
>> PS :
>> Suggested reading :  http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=193593
>> Suggested hearing : "The Third Bardo" , I'm Five Years Ahead of My  
>> Time
>> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=261634131&s=143442&i=261634163
>>
>> Probably my last request, my last post on the list :-)
>>
>> Good luck to everybody,
>> Stephane
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