Re: Enterprise using WO

On 22/05/2005, at 1:23 AM, Mark F. Murphy wrote:

> At 12:52 AM +0800 5/22/05, Ashley Aitken wrote:
>> On 21/05/2005, at 10:50 PM, Mark F. Murphy wrote:
>>> Many people in the java space have not been happy with EJB 1.x and 
>>> 2.x.  Hence, that's why there was a JDO effort... and several other 
>>> approaches (like Hibernate).  The open source community has reacted 
>>> to the misguided EJB 1.x and 2.x specs.
>>
>> Sure, there is a lot of that too.  But there is nothing more 
>> motivating than the growing popularity of a competitor's platform.
>
> Which competitor's platform, growing in popularity, are you referring 
> to?

Obviously, you've heard of .Net.  And whilst it may not have many 
supporters within the Apple community (or obviously within the Java 
community) businesses seem to be adopting it at a rapid pace.  I've 
only anecdotal evidence but based on that I have concerns for Java in 
small to medium (and large) enterprises.

One example is the local enterprise development "community of practice" 
groups run by our local computing association that meets once a month.  
The Java group has folded because there were only a few people turning 
up (and no-one motivated to participate).  The .Net group thrives with 
large numbers every month.

I feel Java probably has the upper-hand currently in the enterprise 
market, and it is trying to push out from the "server-side" to the 
front office.  On the otherhand, Microsoft has the front office, where 
"business developers" are building Web apps with .Net (using Visual 
Studio) and elbowing into the server room - it's the next "VB."

I don't want to get into a debate of which platform is better here.  A 
lot depends on one's requirements and context.  For example, last year 
I was on the Java side in a Java vs .Net debate, and personally I 
prefer the Java platform and marketplace, but I recommended a .Net 
focus to the University IS department that I do some teaching in.

>> And some would say that EJB3 is an abstraction of Hibernate.
>
> Not only some.... but many (if you read The Server Side).

Is that the Server Side .Com or .Net? ;-)

Cheers,
Ashley.

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