Re: State of Windows deployment in 2009?

On 25/11/2009, at 11:13 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:

> On 2009-11-24, at 3:39 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
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>> On 25/11/2009, at 8:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
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>>> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually =
listen to us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most =
likely result in us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping =
WebObjects to themselves,
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>> This makes no sense to me. If they[1] *did* listen[2] then they'd =
have released WO 5.4.3.1 and 5.5 by now because that's what people have =
been asking about for quite some time. In fact, they tested the waters =
with quasi nightly builds ... but internal politics has seen the end of =
that.
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> Maybe they don't want to throw the new versions in front of a whole =
bunch of "angry lions". We all know about "internal politics", but =
realize that these are driven by people just you and me. IMHO, it is not =
always about the money, but also about people's emotions. If Apple's =
staff does like our tone, then why would they release new versions?

I know[1] Apple's staff wanted to release the nightlies... and I'm not =
talking about intuition here.

>>> and we'll never be synchronized with the latest and greatest Apple =
versions again, because we think we can all do it on our own. Very =
smart.
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>> The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., =
Entity Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the =
tools). You've got it backwards I'm afraid.
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> Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions =
from the community, which might be better than their own. Eclipse/EM =
seemed an obvious progression; so why stand in the way?

You're just not providing a true picture of history. Xcode was the =
predominant dev tools for WO until Apple dropped it... and then the =
masses looked for an alternative and got behind WOLips. Sure, the WOLips =
tools were around beforehand but were in no way in a ready state for the =
masses. That's all since changed...

with regards,
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Lachlan Deck