Re: bastille day followup | plone.org/plone.com

Thanks Ramon - this kind of communication helps so much!  

Liz  



On Thursday, July 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Ramon Navarro Bosch wrote:

> Hey everybody!
>  
> First of all, three days ago we've started a conversation between Nathan, rozeboom.eric, Oriol, Victor and me about plone.com (http://plone.com) and plone.org (http://plone.org).  
> There has been a lot of agreements on both sides and I assume that none has read the team leader report (http://plone.org/news/plone-team-leaders2019-report-july-2013) where we've explained our progress.
>  
> I really don't understand at all the report from bastille sprint on the plone web side, so let's see a bit of recent story :
> Elisabeth asked that somebody should take care about plone.org (http://plone.org), I assumed the role and started a working document to define the basis of what should be changes.
> On this document, after showing to lots of members from the Plone Community and shared on the plone-developers list and communication list , we defined a initial mockup that shows the new plone.org (http://plone.org).
> Using the same energy we helped Armin to define a initial step on plone.com (http://plone.com) redesign and defined a multiple mockups to integrate some visualitzation.
> During this process we also told the nations list that their slimbar should be converted to something shared among all the plone sites
>  
> So finally we dedided that we needed three projects: ploneweb.topbar (http://web.topbar), plone.org (http://plone.org) redesign, plone.com (http://plone.com) design/concept:
>  
> PloneWeb.topbar (http://Web.topbar)
>  
> On plone nation has been some movement to push this topbar, injected with javascript, centralized on GitHub and with some working implementation that helps on evolving:
>  
> https://github.com/hman/ploneweb.topbar
> https://github.com/bloodbare/ploneweb.topbar
>  
> test injected site : http://ploneweb.s3.amazonaws.com/mockup.html
>  
> Plone.org (http://Plone.org)
>  
> We defined plone.org (http://plone.org) as a community site, a place where we can communicate, show people, see plone as a community, with the foundation, with the activity, the profiles...  
>  
> You can see some mockups at :
>  
> contributor : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzKEPxDtlwSzSExINEdBcjNKb0E/edit?usp=sharing  
> sponsor : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzKEPxDtlwSzTVFYdlNsbEhWOUU/edit?usp=sharing
> front-page : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzKEPxDtlwSzSndNazgxNE9zc3M/edit?usp=sharing
>  
>  
> Victor has began the implementation of the theme, Oriol has been working on the mockups about profiles and I've been writing a plan about what should be done ( and I mean possible be done ) to get plone.org (http://plone.org) a new, fresh, community driven face.   
>  
> All work is going forward, finally Victor took the responsability of this project because I was moving to FWT and I didn't want to be too stressed. On the plone leader meeting we defined our plan:  
>  
> Sneridagh is working on a Plone theme with Diazo that applies the new design for plone.org (http://plone.org/).  
> We have a complete backup of plone.org (http://plone.org/), so we can begin a migration plan and apply the design.
> We are going place Plone Software Center on a separate Plone instance, so it can be dealt with on its own in the future.
> We will migrate to the new instance the content that is going to be on plone.org (http://plone.org/): Foundation, About Plone, Events, etc.
> ploneweb.topbar (http://web.topbar) will be the top navigation bar for the Plone ecosystem, with links to developers/plone.com (http://plone.com/) and national sites.
> We are working on plone.org (http://plone.org/) community features: Main-page indicators, main-page photos of community people and developer profiles, with information about commits, breaks on Jenkins, related teams, etc.
>  
>  
> Our idea is to write a scheduling plan and push it to plone-developers in order to find people who want to help (right now we are ¾ of a full team).
>  
>  
> The final point would be a sprint (we are looking for somebody who wants to organize this), in which we will stop plone.org (http://plone.org/), move and organize content, and put it online again.
>  
>  
> Plone.com (http://Plone.com)  
>  
> On Sorrento sprint Armin and Matt worked to deploy a plone.com (http://plone.com), on Munich sprint we've talked about plone.com (http://plone.com) content looking for videos and  
> creating a basic HTML implementation so it's easy to start. At the end of Sorrento sprint the site was created and nearly ready to begin to fill content. Our main preocupation was to get the needed information, videos, quotes, ... from plone companies to fill the site.
>  
> You can see the design and HTML mockups:
>  
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzKEPxDtlwSzcmU2WHgzQWlnQVk/edit?usp=sharing
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzKEPxDtlwSzZlpNMzJ6V2hfSWM&usp=sharing
>  
>  
> Conclusion
>  
> There has been a lot of work, it has been informed at plone-developers list and team leaders report. We are trying to go as fast as possible but after a lot of talking we need to be productive and implement the needed parts, we need hands and people with time to implement it and move forward. So IMHO all help is great and usability reports are great, but if there is a team on plone that has been working and informing about all this movement, we should try to work together and take care about others jobs. We are all volunteers, we spended a lot of hours, talks, to be where we are now and I hope that we can move faster together.  
>  
> Ramon
>  
>  
> 2013/7/18 Elizabeth Leddy <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])>
> > For those that missed the excellent report, the Bastille day sprint report is up at: http://plone.org/news/bastille-day-day-sprint-2013-results  
> >  
> > There are a couple major issues I think we need to discuss as a community and since people on the marketing/coms team aren't communicating with each other and commenting for plone.org (http://plone.org) is turned off, I'll start the discussion here. Weird? maybe, But I don't know where else to go.  
> >  
> > ISSUE 1: plone.org (http://plone.org) and plone.com (http://plone.com) under 1 domain
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Please, please, please don't do this. plone.org (http://plone.org) has to be so much more fluid than plone.com (http://plone.com). We need to maintain it at a much higher level (read: restarting constantly) and as a developer I am tired of the content I post being under the rule of any marketing team. plone.org (http://plone.org) should eventually showcase developers and what we do, not who we are selling to.  
> >  
> > Ramon - have you done a blog post about the work you are doing with plone.org (http://plone.org) yet? Maybe talk with the sprinters at Basitlle day? Did anyone outside of the in crowd know that there is a beautiful design just sitting there waiting for help?  
> >  
> >  
> > ISSUE 2: we are completely defunct in marketing. bankrupt.  
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > I am at a loss here. I see in the post all of these marketing techniques like target users and blah blah which have been done at more than 2 sprints now. What do we as a community need to do to get marketing to work with each other in the same way that the developers do?  
> >  
> > How many revamps of plone.com (http://plone.com) are we going to go through until we actually push it? Can we just hire a marketing group that is external and pass the buck? At least plone.com (http://plone.com) would go live and we wouldn't have to worry about it.  I'm sincerely disappointed in our inability to get our shit together on the marketing front, especially with regards to our domains.   
> >  
> > I'm not Linus, so I won't threaten anyone but I promise you this: If plone.com (http://plone.com) isn't up by the end of this year I'm teaching a cat to juggle plone balls and just putting a giant animated gif up cause that's the most accurate representation of what we are doing right now.  
> >  
> > Opinions, help, leadership: all welcome.
> >  
> > Liz
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > --  
> > Elizabeth Leddy
> > Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
> >  
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> --  
> Ramon a.k.a bloodbare

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