Re: bastille day followup | plone.org/plone.com

Quoting Elizabeth Leddy (2013-07-18 21:26:57)
> For those that missed the excellent report, the Bastille day sprint report is
> up at: http://plone.org/news/bastille-day-day-sprint-2013-results
> 
> There are a couple major issues I think we need to discuss as a community and
> since people on the marketing/coms team aren't communicating with each other
> and commenting for plone.org is turned off, I'll start the discussion here.
> Weird? maybe, But I don't know where else to go.
> 
> ISSUE 1: plone.org and plone.com under 1 domain
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please, please, please don't do this. plone.org has to be so much more fluid
> than plone.com. We need to maintain it at a much higher level (read: restarting
> constantly) and as a developer I am tired of the content I post being under the
> rule of any marketing team. plone.org should eventually showcase developers and
> what we do, not who we are selling to. 
> 
> Ramon - have you done a blog post about the work you are doing with plone.org
> yet? Maybe talk with the sprinters at Basitlle day? Did anyone outside of the
> in crowd know that there is a beautiful design just sitting there waiting for
> help?
> 

i think you misunderstood it. or it wasn't translated to developers language
from Gabrielle's side. so how i understood it we'll have 2 plone sites like
before, just on one domain with subfolders. and why is that good was explained
by Jim and _finally_ we have somebody who know about this and is at the same
time willing to spend time doing this for plone.com.

i see importance in marketing team working together with whoever is working on
design of plone.org just to make sure correct message about plone is being
sent. I'm not saying here marketing team should lead the design, but to work
_with_ the designer and compromises will have to be done on both ends, right?

> 
> ISSUE 2: we are completely defunct in marketing. bankrupt. 
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> I am at a loss here. I see in the post all of these marketing techniques like
> target users and blah blah which have been done at more than 2 sprints now.
> What do we as a community need to do to get marketing to work with each other
> in the same way that the developers do? 
> 
> How many revamps of plone.com are we going to go through until we actually push
> it? Can we just hire a marketing group that is external and pass the buck? At
> least plone.com would go live and we wouldn't have to worry about it.  I'm
> sincerely disappointed in our inability to get our shit together on the
> marketing front, especially with regards to our domains. 
> 
> I'm not Linus, so I won't threaten anyone but I promise you this: If plone.com
> isn't up by the end of this year I'm teaching a cat to juggle plone balls and
> just putting a giant animated gif up cause that's the most accurate
> representation of what we are doing right now.
> 

we're are all desperate to finally get plone.com online. at oshkosh erik took
over the marketing team and would be nice to hear a report from him on the
mailing list just to update us on situation. (i've been at oshkosh sprint and
indiana sprint and can confirm guys were working long nights to improve
marketing, and plone.com only being first step in this story).


> Opinions, help, leadership: all welcome.
> 

lets not be grumpy developers and kindly ask marketing team to explain us their
decisions. i'm sure they reasons behind their decisions. and marketing team,
please communicate with us we promise we wont be as grumpy as usual :)


GO GO GO marketing team !!!!!


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Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si

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