Re: plone multilingual

Hi ramon
thanks for your answer.
I created an extra answer with our ideas on how to respond to your concerns
On 08/06/2013 09:15 AM, Ramon Navarro Bosch wrote:
> There are some inconvenients with that aproach:
>
> * How are you going to show on navigation the elements from other 
> languages ?
this is still an open question.
both when a document with its own translation is displayed or one that 
has no translation to the users language the document "knows" what other 
languages exit, and can display some indicator telling the user that sHe 
could selct an other translation.
How this is done??
We once had a site where a document showed flags all existing translations.
>
> You have /fr/obj1 translated to /de/obj1 and it's not translated on 
> en, you want to see the obj1 on /en/ navigation. Maybe a Navigation 
> strategy would help on show this information. What object would be on 
> /en/ ? the fr or the de ?
the "canocical" one. Where the canonical document is the one with more 
than one entry in its LanguageIndexer index entry.
>
> The catalog patch is not the solution, I think that catalog patch 
> should be removed (and I removed it from lrf-type branch), so I would 
> avoid using it.
>
> * getLanguage method is used along all the code and adding a adding a 
> fieldIndex will add complexity on different parts. It may lead to a 
> problem, as really the object will be only on one language and you 
> would need to know which is the real language and which are fallbacks. 
> With the untranslatedLanguages vocabulary on pam/browser you can know 
> which languages aren't translated for a object, with a new field index 
> with that information we would be able to know which objects should be 
> seen without changing the language index.
the solution we propose using a field index is in fact such a 
vocabulary. all entries in the LanguageIndexer index entry are 
untranslated languages.
This of course assumes, that we "know" what the "real" language of the 
"caoninical" document is.
For this we probably should use the language field.


rr
>
> R
>
>
> 2013/8/6 robert rottermann <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>
>     Hi there
>     yesterday we where discussing how to support partially translated
>     la nguages.
>     This is NOT language neutral content.
>
>     Use case:
>     we have three languages de, fr, en
>     now all content is created de and translated to fr.
>     so no untranslated content exists.
>     Some of the content is also translated to English.
>
>     As things stand now, English will only see a very selected few
>     elements (the translated ones) and has no way to know that there
>     is also other content.
>
>     So we came up with the idea that the language index should not be
>     using a text index but a fieldindex, so a document could "be" in
>     more that one language.
>
>     The question now is:
>     What problems would that provoke?
>
>     thanks for your input.
>
>     robert
>
>
>
>     On 08/05/2013 08:45 AM, Ramon Navarro Bosch wrote:
>>     Hey,
>>
>>     There is already a implementation on github (lrf-type) branch on
>>     pam/pm that implements in a simpler way a neutral language
>>     solution. Neutral content is stored on the root and on each
>>     language root folder their are mapped using the traversal
>>     methods. The problem was on catalog as they were using the same
>>     UUID , so we created on this cases a UUID-lang code for cataloging.
>>
>>     R
>>
>>
>>     2013/8/5 Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <mailto:djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>>
>>
>>         On 05/08/2013, at 3:15 PM, robert rottermann
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>         > today the zurich sprint starts and I intend to work with
>>         plone.multilingual
>>         >
>>         > is there anything that needs special love?
>>
>>         The issue of having a partially translated site maybe? As far
>>         as I've been able to work out, this can't be done. ie. where
>>         it falls back to the neutral language version like
>>         LinguaPlone does.
>>         I suspect to make that work something similar to
>>         collective.alias would have to be created?
>>
>>
>>         >
>>         > thanks
>>         > robert
>>         >
>>         > On 06/10/2013 09:51 AM, robert rottermann wrote:
>>         >> Hi there,
>>         >>
>>         >> I start to use plone.multilingual in earnest.
>>         >> Now there is an upcomming sprint in Zurich, Switzerland in
>>         and I think
>>         >> of proposing plone.multilingual there as a topic.
>>         >>
>>         >> No my questions:
>>         >> What is the state of plone.multilingual?
>>         >> I have the impression it is rather calm around it so I
>>         assume it is not
>>         >> used too much.
>>         >> Is this impression wrong? If yes, why is this so?
>>         >>
>>         >> Is there some other multilingual tool that should be
>>         included in a
>>         >> multilingual sprint topic?
>>         >>
>>         >> thanks
>>         >>
>>         >> robert
>>         >>
>>         >>
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