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Hi,

how about replacing plone.app.customerize with ZPT Fragments?

https://github.com/plone/plone.app.theming/pull/10

That'd bring one more way to "define views", but only after two old ones 
(portal_skins and portal_view_customization) has been taken away. Also, 
all TTW methods would be in p.a.theming then.

-Asko


Nathan Van Gheem wrote:
> FWIW, it might be worth it posing this question on the plone users list.
>
> Hard core developers are not usually the people we are targeting for 
> simple site customizations TTW--we're targeting integrators, themers 
> and newcomers. It's too bad we don't have more consensus on desiring 
> to make the TTW story better--I think it's very important to the 
> success and adoption of plone.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 
> <mailto:djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     On 12 Dec 2013, at 10:00 am, Lennart Regebro <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>     <mailto:djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>> wrote:
>     >> However removing it and skins still leaves us with no core
>     solution for templates :(
>     >
>     > Good!
>     >
>     >> We don't really have agreement on a replacement but I think we
>     need one. zbot is not a TTW solution.
>     >
>     > We need less ways to define views, not more. If that means we
>     drop TTW
>     > solutions, so be it.
>
>     I agree we need the total number of ways to define views to not grow.
>     However just because you don't have a need for TTW solutions
>     doesn't mean TTW isn't very important for Plone.
>
>     I've given two talks so far on why we think TTW is very important
>     for Plone and also why almost all client work we do is now TTW.
>     Rather than repeat the same arguments again, if you have time,
>     have a quick flip through the slides or watch the video.
>
>     http://www.slideshare.net/djay/plone-the-open-source-cmsasaservice-platform
>     http://www.slideshare.net/djay/ttw-ftw-plone-as-the-new-wordpress
>
>     It's for these reasons I think this is a very important discussion
>     and we need to get the future of defining views TTW right.
>     IMO it needs to be
>     - Easy learning curve if you are progressing from diazo
>     - simple to understand. doesn't require deep understanding of how
>     plone works.
>     - allow you to work in almost the same way TTW and in FS.
>     - be deployable in a theme zip or similar (as well as eggs)
>     - capable enough that it could replace almost all existing FS
>     template overrides, views etc so you could almost have a single
>     way of working
>
>
>
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