Re: do we need plone.app.customerize? was: [Plone-Users] Insufficient privileges on folder_contents

On 13 Dec 2013, at 1:47 am, Lennart Regebro <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM, T. Kim Nguyen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Lennart, two things:
>> 
>> For workflows TTW you don't need the ZMI anymore; plone.app.workflowmanager
>> is very nice and generates diagrams of the workflow on demand.
> 
> Cool!
> 
>> I have thought a lot about how to manage hundreds of sites, each custom to a
>> small or very large extent, in the (long term) easiest and least risky way.
>> For many devs, repeatability is important so you do things through code and
>> push your tested changes out via deployment scripts. For maintainers of
>> large scale shared environments, that is not ideal, in fact far from it. The
>> TTW aspects of Plone are what allowed us to deploy the way we have at UW
>> Oshkosh and I'm sure at other places. Take away those TTW features and we
>> can no longer support Plone here the same way.
> 
> Well, as mentioned, I don't think it's the actual TTW-part that is the
> features you need. I don't think you actually need the feature to
> store scripts in the ZODB, or that you have to use a text field as a
> code editor, or that you have a need of not being able to version
> control your templates. But that's what TTW gives you.

On the other hand ZODB gives you 
- instant replication over many servers. Something you need when you're running hundreds of sites.
- Transactional code updates.
- Memory management of code (All FS code is loaded in RAM all the time. A big problem when you're running hundreds of sites)
- instant code reload

We put all our TTW code in source control. We're trying to make it easier with the development of plone.gitpush
https://github.com/collective/plone.gitpush


> 
> Once again I think we need to identify what you *actually* need, and
> I'm relatively sure that none of the above things will be on that
> list. :-)
> 
> //Lennart


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