Re: do we need plone.app.customerize? was: [Plone-Users] Insufficient privileges on folder_contents

On 13 Dec 2013 02:54, "Lennart Regebro" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:
> > On the other hand ZODB gives you
> > - instant replication over many servers.
>
> You are on one hand claiming that TTW is needed because the standard
> egg-based way of doing things is too complex, and on other other hand
> talking about ZODB replication. That doesn't exactly match. ;-) In any
> case, replicating a file system is much easier than replicating a
> ZODB.

The person who runs the zeo cluster doesn't have to be the one who writes
the code. A single cluster run by say a uni can support hundreds of site
develops writing code in isolation. You can't do that with fs based code.
That is why I called my talk cms-as-a-service out of the box.

>
> > - Transactional code updates.
>
> Verison control.
>
> > - Memory management of code (All FS code is loaded in RAM all the time.
A big problem when you're running hundreds of sites)
>
> So here again you are talking about how eggs are complicated, and at
> the same time talking about Python code that apparently is so huge
> they create a memory problem. Seriously, if you are able to manage a
> site that has so much TTW code that it saves you significant amounts
> of memory compared to having it on the disk, then you are able to
> learn how to run a buildout.

I'd contend even if the same person is both developing and running the
site, skills required to install and run zeo is way less than those
required customize plone.

>
> > - instant code reload
>
> That's definitely a bonus.
>
> > We put all our TTW code in source control. We're trying to make it
easier with the development of plone.gitpush
> > https://github.com/collective/plone.gitpush
>
> Well, that's already a step forward, away from the traditional TTW model.

We aren't talking about how ttw is done now but what we need in the future
to replace skins and portal_customerize. I don't think we disagree that
replicated instant reloadable replicated secure isolated code important so
perhaps we should go back to talking about what that code should look like.

> //Lennart

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