Re: Plone 5.0b2-pending available for testing

FYI, I just created this ticket:
https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/issues/529

to track toolbar related items/issues.

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > On 26 May 2015, at 2:26 am, Nathan Van Gheem <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > HV,
> >
> > Well, this particular issue isn't momentum killing. We are aware of
> it--just no one has figured a decent solution yet.
> > More people talking about it and thinking about it is helpful though :)
> >
> > I'm not sure I agree with you on the vertical. I actually enjoy using
> the left side variant.
> >
> > Dylan,
> >
> > We aren't using hover menus. You need to click to open.
>
> sorry you are right, its not hover. however one issue with a vertical menu
> is that the popout now requires to you go down, click then go back up. You
> end up travelling a lot and doing a uturn with your mouse which isn't so
> nice.
> Looks like hectors points are mostly about making current status visible.
> I have a couple of ideas which I'll find the right tickets to add them to
> but quickly (no need to respond).
> - One option would be to change it from a multiple submenus to a single
> extra ribbon/menu that you can expand and keep open. So the menu has 3
> modes. icons, icons text, icons, text and extra menu. That could solve some
> of hectors concerns of not seeing stuff and also my concern of the mouse
> uturn.
>   - It does however create another problem of having still too much stuff
> in this combined extra menu. I think we can aid in that by getting rid of
> the display menu. I believe this should now be a popup with a post request.
> We see a lot of issues around people not understanding display enough and I
> think it needs more text and explanation around it which we can do in a
> popup. I think the same is probably true of the state menu. I think its
> something that you don't do lightly and should be a popup. If you want to
> do it in bulk you can do it via contents.
> - the other option is an open close accordion type menu. More similar to
> normal side navigation. There is a reason side nav is not popout but rather
> open/close. If the menu remembers which are open and closed you can
> effectively configure the menu to keep visible parts you are using often
> such as the add menu or the context status.
>
>
> >
> > Yes, doing something with the icons could work though!
> >
> > The menu isn't really responsive right now either. No matter way, when
> on mobile devices, it'll need to be swipe out on the left or right I think
> for mobile.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Nathan
> >
> > On May 25, 2015 2:15 PM, "Hector Velarde" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On 05/25/2015 02:00 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote:
> > https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/issues
> >
> > HV> thanks! the first issue was already reported:
> >
> > https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/issues/411
> >
> > Click the plone icon to total text. Click upper top left to move from
> > side to top.
> >
> > HV> that was awesome! thanks!
> >
> > I think we need a control panel entry to set this on the site without
> > using the theme.
> >
> > HV> +1
> >
> > Yes, the way you go about things can be annoying and momentum killing
> > but you can be helpful too.
> >
> > HV> sorry, Nathan; I don't want to annoy anyone and I don't want to kill
> your momentum... but at some point we need to face reality and we better do
> it before the final release. the horizontal toolbar should be the default,
> IMO; I haven't tested it in depth, but it has to be better than the
> vertical one.
> >
> > No, you're not the only one who notices. I also mentioned it during the
> > UI/UX meeting. Most everyone that uses it knows it needs tweaking. There
> > just isn't an obvious best way to do it where the toolbar actually fits
> > decent widths when on top. If you know the perfect way to plan out the
> > toolbar buttons, please share.
> >
> > HV> no, I have no idea on how to solve it; I'm not an UI/usability
> expert but the issues the vertical toolbar causes are screaming at me every
> time I have tested Plone 5.
> >
> > the one thing I want to bring back here is that, IMO, we made a mistake
> by skipping the 4.4 release; Plone 5 brings many UI changes that are not
> tested with real users before including them on the core and we are risking
> here too much.
> >
> > releasing faster with few changes and making some of these changes
> optional for power users to test first, give us feedback earlier so we can
> fix broken ideas faster also.
> >
> > that's the way we went with Diazo and Dexterity and it proved to pay.
> >
> > having said that, I can tell you that Plone 5 is looking pretty fine
> now; last time I tested it was one of the earlier alpha releases and can
> see a difference here.
> >
> > thank you very much for the hard work you guys have done!
> >
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