Re: New installation instructions

Mikko Ohtamaa <mikko+plone-75aZqqp77KCaMPzRcYMCawC/[email protected]> Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:26:06 +0300
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On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 04:11, John Schinnerer <john-/Gao9/[email protected]> wrote:

> Thank you, simple enough, and...done.
> Is that it?
> After *Propose file change* I get a page re sending a pull request. Don't
> grok it...do I need to do that?
>

Yes, that must be done also. I'll clarify that in nstructions.

Cheers, Mikko
-Mikko


>
> thanks,
> John S.
>
>
> On 04/13/2012 11:46 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 23:42, John Schinnerer <john-/Gao9/[email protected]
>> <mailto:john-/Gao9/[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>    I am totally new to github...the apparently relevant button says
>>    "Fork and Edit this file" - not sure if that is the correct thing to
>>    do? Please advise how to make the edit without making a mess...
>>
>>
>> Should go like this
>>
>>  1. Go to Writing and updating the documentation
>>    <https://github.com/**collective/collective.**
>> developermanual/edit/master/**source/introduction/writing.**rst<https://github.com/collective/collective.developermanual/edit/master/source/introduction/writing.rst>
>> >
>>    on GitHub.
>>  2. Press *Fork and edit this file* button
>>  3. Edit file contents using GitHub's text editor in your web browser
>>  4. Press *Propose file change* at the bottom of the page
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    thanks,
>>    John S.
>>
>>
>>    On 04/12/2012 08:56 PM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:
>>
>>        Hi John,
>>
>>            Mention early on, with link, to see the Hosting Guide for
>>        information
>>            about production installations/deployments.
>>
>>
>>        Good spot. Can you go ahead and fix it directly here?
>>
>>        https://github.com/collective/**__collective.developermanual/_**
>> _blob/master/source/tutorials/**__installation.rst<https://github.com/collective/__collective.developermanual/__blob/master/source/tutorials/__installation.rst>
>>
>>        <https://github.com/**collective/collective.**
>> developermanual/blob/master/**source/tutorials/installation.**rst<https://github.com/collective/collective.developermanual/blob/master/source/tutorials/installation.rst>
>> >
>>
>>        -Mikko
>>
>>            For example where it now says:
>>
>>            ------------------------------**__----------
>>
>>            ...
>>            Installing Plone using Unified UNIX Installer
>>
>>            Note
>>            This is the recommended installation method
>>
>>            This recipe is good for
>>                 Lightweight production sites
>>                 Plone development and testing on Ubuntu / Debian
>>            ...
>>            ------------------------------**__------------
>>
>>
>>            ...add some following text like:
>>
>>        "For information on using this installation with production
>>            environments/deployments, see the [hosting guide]."
>>
>>            There is a line that hints at that at the very end of the
>>        unified
>>            installer section, and I think it could be clearer and sooner.
>>
>>            thanks,
>>            John S.
>>
>>            On 04/10/2012 05:04 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:
>>         > Hi,
>>         >
>>         > I try to modernize / centralize existing Plone installation
>>            instructions.
>>         >
>>         > Please take a look on:
>>         >
>>         >
>>        http://collective-docs.__readt**hedocs.org/en/latest/__**
>> tutorials/installation.html<http://readthedocs.org/en/latest/__tutorials/installation.html>
>>
>>        <http://collective-docs.**readthedocs.org/en/latest/**
>> tutorials/installation.html<http://collective-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorials/installation.html>
>> >
>>         >
>>         > ...and then take a stab on the document or me.
>>         >
>>         > Cheers,
>>         > Mikko
>>         >
>>         > -----
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>>    ------------------------------**__--------------
>>
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>>    john-/Gao9/[email protected] <mailto:john-/Gao9/[email protected]>
>>    http://eco-living.net
>>
>>    --
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>>    http://twitter.com/moo9000
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
> ------------------------------**--------------
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> Whole Systems Design Services
> People - Place - Learning - Integration
> john-/Gao9/[email protected]
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>
> --
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 04:11, John Schi=
nnerer <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john-/Gao9/[email protected]">john@ec=
o-living.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thank you, simple enough, and...done.<br>
Is that it?<br>
After *Propose file change* I get a page re sending a pull request. Don&#39=
;t grok it...do I need to do that?<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, that must =
be done also. I&#39;ll clarify that in nstructions. <br><br>Cheers, Mikko<b=
r>
-Mikko<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0p=
t 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
thanks,<br>
John S.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
On 04/13/2012 11:46 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 23:42, John Schinnerer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john@e=
co-living.net" target=3D"_blank">john-/Gao9/[email protected]</a><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"im">
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:john-/Gao9/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">john@ec=
o-living.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0I am totally new to github...the apparently relevant button says<br=
>
 =A0 =A0&quot;Fork and Edit this file&quot; - not sure if that is the corre=
ct thing to<br>
 =A0 =A0do? Please advise how to make the edit without making a mess...<br>
<br>
<br>
Should go like this<br>
<br></div>
=A01. Go to Writing and updating the documentation<br>
 =A0 =A0&lt;<a href=3D"https://github.com/collective/collective.developerma=
nual/edit/master/source/introduction/writing.rst" target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/github.com/<u></u>collective/collective.<u></u>developermanual/edit/master=
/<u></u>source/introduction/writing.<u></u>rst</a>&gt;<br>

 =A0 =A0on GitHub.<br>
=A02. Press *Fork and edit this file* button<br>
=A03. Edit file contents using GitHub&#39;s text editor in your web browser=
<br>
=A04. Press *Propose file change* at the bottom of the page<div class=3D"im=
"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0thanks,<br>
 =A0 =A0John S.<br>
<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0On 04/12/2012 08:56 PM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hi John,<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mention early on, with link, to see the Hosting Gui=
de for<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0information<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0about production installations/deployments.<br>
<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Good spot. Can you go ahead and fix it directly here?<br>
<br></div>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/collective/__collective.devel=
opermanual/__blob/master/source/tutorials/__installation.rst" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://github.com/collective/<u></u>__collective.developermanual/_<u>=
</u>_blob/master/source/tutorials/<u></u>__installation.rst</a><div class=
=3D"im">
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&lt;<a href=3D"https://github.com/collective/collective.dev=
elopermanual/blob/master/source/tutorials/installation.rst" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://github.com/<u></u>collective/collective.<u></u>developermanual/b=
lob/master/<u></u>source/tutorials/installation.<u></u>rst</a>&gt;<br>

<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-Mikko<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0For example where it now says:<br>
<br></div>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0------------------------------<u></u>__----------<d=
iv class=3D"im"><br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0...<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Installing Plone using Unified UNIX Installer<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Note<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This is the recommended installation method<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This recipe is good for<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lightweight production sites<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Plone development and testing on Ubuntu / =
Debian<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0...<br></div>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0------------------------------<u></u>__------------=
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0...add some following text like:<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&quot;For information on using this installation with produ=
ction<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0environments/deployments, see the [hosting guide].&=
quot;<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0There is a line that hints at that at the very end =
of the<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0unified<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0installer section, and I think it could be clearer =
and sooner.<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0thanks,<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0John S.<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On 04/10/2012 05:04 AM, Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; Hi,<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; I try to modernize / centralize existing Plone instal=
lation<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0instructions.<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; Please take a look on:<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br></div>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://collective-docs." target=3D"_blank">http:=
//collective-docs.</a>__<a href=3D"http://readthedocs.org/en/latest/__tutor=
ials/installation.html" target=3D"_blank">readt<u></u>hedocs.org/en/latest/=
__<u></u>tutorials/installation.html</a><div class=3D"im">
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&lt;<a href=3D"http://collective-docs.readthedocs.org/en/la=
test/tutorials/installation.html" target=3D"_blank">http://collective-docs.=
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<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; ...and then take a stab on the document or me.<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; Cheers,<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt; Mikko<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 &gt;<br>
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