Re: state of OSX and M$ installer for Plone 5

There's not much we can do except continue to try to educate people who
think that "installer experience" is equivalent to "good long term CMS
selection criteria", and to make more nice themes available (and maybe even
easier to add to a site).

I use the Vagrant installer on my Macs.  It's consistent in its behaviour,
and it works flawlessly.  I doubt someone wants to "just test" Plone who
will care whether it's a native OSX installer or Vagrant, especially if we
specifically say that we officially support Vagrant as the OS X installer.
Who would be so picky that they feel a native OS X installer is required
when Vagrant works so well?

   Kim

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:00 PM, espen <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> 29. apr. 2015 kl. 19:10 skrev sven [via Plone] <
> ml-node+s293351n7573786h19-PKuAHvtXa09l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>:
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> > On 04/29/2015 10:43 AM, espen wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 27. apr. 2015 kl. 18:15 skrev Steve McMahon [via Plone] <[hidden
> email]>:
> > >
> > >> Sven went through multiple iterations trying to get a smoothly
> functioning installer out of this strategy. He failed after a valiant
> attempt, exhausting the suggestions of several of us, including past
> maintainers of the OS X installer. Perhaps you'll succeed if you give it a
> try. If you do, we'll be happy and we'll make it part of the installer
> release process.
> > >>
> > > Maybe Plock is an idea ?
> > > (looks like it installs Plone here with no ‘extra work’, but that
> could be that I have installed libs etc before (?)
> > >
> > > Espen
> >
> > Plock is not installing nor checking dependencies, at least not yet,
> > since it as basically a wrapper on steroids around buildout it will not
> > solve any problem which buildout is not solving too.
> >
> > But the more important questions is, why do you think it is so important
> > to have a installer for OSX ?
> >  IMHO, the only target group are people who want to try it and there are
> > better of with something else anyway, because you do not want to install
> > it just for testing, these days are over, this was and I agree with,
> > that common till maybe 3 years ago, but these days, people [at least
> > what I see] tent to not do that anymore.
>
> you might be right,
> my main reason was that it looks like many (even the local University,
> here) switches to for example Wordpress because it is
> 1) easy
> 2) Looks good (or at least, just like all other webpages)
>
> and I have a feeling that many choose a CMS mainly based on those
> criteria..
>
> ———
> Slightly related: If for example Plone 5 is released and no (Plone 4 )
> themes are working, this will scare a way a lot of people
>
> Espen
>
>
> >
> > Sven
> >
> > >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:00 AM, espen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 27. apr. 2015 kl. 17:06 skrev Steve McMahon [via Plone] <[hidden
> email]>:
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:32 AM, espen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>>> Well, good docs, in the end the OSX installer is like the
> > >>>> Uinified-Installer, just a wrapper, good docs should cover this.
> > >>> Maybe it is possible to just make a AppleScript / Automator script
> that installs it on OS X ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Sven took a very dedicated shot at that, and determined it to be
> near impossible. Consider that it's going to require installing the XCode,
> the command-line tools, accepting its license, then using bootstrap to add
> the libraries that are fouled up by apple. All before beginning the
> automated install.
> > >> What about a) showing a dialog box that you need to install XCode
> before running the ‘installer’, and then just install Python ‘again’? (this
> is what  install.sh does if you dont know what you are doing anyway ?
> > >>
> > >> As Xcode is in the app-store, most users will be able to install it
> (?), maybe it is even possible to have a link to it ?
> > >>
> > >> Espen
> > >>
> > >>> And, whatever we do is likely to be broken by Apple in the next
> release.
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