Re: Plone 5.0 release date

Please stop making accusations. They are not helpful.

Suggestions on how to improve things ARE helpful. You may have to reach out a few times to get your message to the volunteers doing this work. 

There is one person... ONE... who has been our communications team the last 2+ years, who has been doing the work on a volunteer basis.

As a result of one of the discussions in Sorrento, we came up with ideas on how to continue to improve communicating development and other activity to the community at large, and we will be implementing them.

If you'd like to make your suggestions directly to the teams responsible (again remembering that they are volunteers), eg marketing and communications or the board, that would be better received. Help is always appreciated!  https://plone.org/community/teams 

One of the longer running discussions has been about whether to pay for some services (such as marketing & communications), but for that the Foundation would need a lot more money. At the moment there are several premium, regular, and personal sponsors, but a lot fewer that you'd expect for a project and community of this size. 

If you can't volunteer your time, then please donate to the Foundation so we can better support the effort: https://plone.org/donate 

    Kim

> On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Jota <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> What I don't understand is why all this surprise now, because the lack of a
> *REGULAR* /communication effort /from the core people to the community has
> been a pattern.
> 
> As always, it's easy to hide the heads in a hole in the sand, and pretend
> everything is fine.
> 
> On April 3, I had post this:
> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Plone-5-0b1-released-tp7573532p7573543.html
> 
> It meant to be a constructive question, because if you are going to test a
> beta, it is fair to know in advance some of the problems you may encounter,
> some of the rough edges still out there.
> (and if there are no known problems it will be at least a RC, not a beta)
> And it also motivates you, because you feel that the people releasing the
> beta cares enough to write some simple usage notes.
> But, almost a month latter, still no reply, no info, nothing!
> 
> 
> Try this:
> Take a Plone instance and create a new folder;
> Create a page inside the folder;
> On the display menu, change the default view to the page you just created;
> Go to the contents tab and cut and paste the page to the site root;
> Return to the folder to undone the default page setting: no display menu any
> more.
> (it was a prospective client that found this...)
> And I can show you at least half a dozen of similar incongruence.
> 
> 
> The smart guys that made Plone 1.xx and 2.xx the best of the class, years
> ahead of the competition, are here no more.
> My opinion once more: the problem is not the lack of marketing, the problem
> is the product itself.
> Now days it is not easy to sell Plone as a efficient (cost-effective)
> solution.
> It has to appeal more for the potential costumers, the one's that pays the
> bills, not only for the developers.
> That is the actual problem of Plone.
>> From the outside, in it's present form, Plone seems more like a playground
> for some incompetent (or naive?) coders and their egos. 
> Plain simple! 
> But I'm sure no one is listening....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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