Re: Plone 5.0 release date

For the sake of clarity, my understanding of what Jota said is:
1. Plone needs to get their marketing and communication act together
2. Plone is sick (not clear on everything he was getting at with that point)

My feeling is that point 1 is very important and the community should keep
this concern in view.

@Jota regarding the second point, I think identifying the bug was the most
value I got out of what you communicated. I had to do a lot of filtering
because everything else felt like an angry rant.

What's the relationship to the Plone project at this point, are you
absolutely indifferent about the improvement of Plone?
Or perhaps your comments were meant to stir the community towards positive
action? I cannot tell but would benefit from clarification.



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David Bain, RHCSA
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Alex Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> On 4/28/15 3:30 PM, Sean Upton wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:41 AM, David Bain
> > <[email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> >     I think it would be a huge loss if Jota stopped contributing his
> >     opinions. We can't afford to fall into dangerous "group think" daze.
> >     I've been following the thread and see value a strong dissenting
> >     opinion. I'm re-reading so that I can learn, especially from the
> >     comment regarding why Plone was dropped in his case.
> >
> >
> > My $0.02... There's a line between dissenting opinion and accusatory
> > behavior.  We need to encourage the former and discourage the latter.
> >
> > We are seeing a "stop energy" [1] problem in this thread, I think.  One
> > party was using very problematic, ad hominem, language -- directed at a
> > group, though not any specific individual.  There is also, I think, an
> > acute misunderstanding of varieties of authority here, confounding
> > legitimate power/responsibility earned by merit and expertise with some
> > kind of "insider" parochial power (a straw-man fallacy at best).
> >
> > It is hard work to volunteer in communities that produce useful things
> > like this; it is hard work to sustain the work of other volunteers.
> > It's difficult to see all the work that actually goes into this kind of
> > effort.  There's not always consensus, but there should be every
> > incentive for cooperation when we can muster it.
> >
> > Some of us (myself certainly included) should be contributing more to
> > the community.  There are varieties of things I do not like in some
> > "core" directions (e.g. plone.api is too procedural for my taste), but
> > the only party I have to blame for things I might disagree with is
> > myself (not for lack of critique, but lack of contributed solution).
> >
> > I think we should all at least recognize that like any software, like
> > any organization, like any community: there are always evolving
> > opportunities and challenges, and the folks contributing the most to
> > conquering the latter were (IMHO) getting unnecessarily skewered in this
> > thread.
>
>
> Oh, I love a good logical debate! [1]
>
> Yeah, I think one of the biggest challenges in participating in a
> community (and trying to help keep things positive) is that
> communication is hard. And many of the people participating aren't
> "experts". And even "experts" aren't perfect.
>
> So, as a perpetual student of the community and communication I try to
> consistently practice "best practices" as I understand them to be:
>
> - http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> [1] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > [1] http://bcsaller.blogspot.com/2005/11/stop-energy.html
> >
> >
> >
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