Re: Slack room for ZODB

On 21 Jan 2017 04:40, "Jesus Cea" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 20/01/17 18:03, Jim Fulton wrote:
> - To join the slack channel: https://zodb-invite.herokuapp.com/ (Thanks
> Jean!)

Everytime somebody move to a private silo, something dies inside of me.
That includes github too, BTW.


That's my kneejerk reaction too, but it's not a black and white thing. Some
aspects are siloed (issues), some are decentralised better than anything
we've ever had (git). The entire ecosystem gets massive value, and learns a
ton from github (and Slack) growing up in public. We learn to define what
matters to us, what battles we pick, and what our fallback positions are
(e.g. what would migration to gitlab or self-hosted repos involve).

Here's in my opinion a very excellent statement of this position by Moxie:
https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/


To me to move to slack, whatever, will fragment conversation and
community. Nobody can be everywhere.


I'm conflicted on this. There is the conversation you have in realtime with
someone you know, collaborating on ongoing work. And there is the shared
history of conversation spanning generations of technology, and including
participants from previous eras. Both are necessary, there needs to be a
bridge from now to the history, but they need different solutions, and need
to be able to evolve independently.

If Slack enables good conversations of the first type, that value doesn't
evaporate even if no one bothered to archive it -- the work got done --,
and isn't worth less because everyone wasn't in the same channel.  As long
as the right people can find each other and coordinate, that's fine. (And
there's no reason to neglect archives, Slack enables richer archiving than
IRC.)


Subscribing to slack now, but I will probably ever use it. Consequence
will be that very interesting conversations will be lost forever instead
of being accessible, indexed and replicated in everybody (interested)
mailbox :).


Mailboxes can be graveyards too. If someone cares, Slack is easy to
publish. Here's someone doing it as a service, free for public archives:
http://slackarchive.io/


I am in like five slack groups. I never ever open the application to
check them. Sad.

Dinosaur, I guess.


It's perfectly understandable, now I have someone wanting to chat on
WhatsApp and I just have app fatigue.


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