Re: AW: AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Zope 3 is a bunch of technologies for building (web) applications in the 
> form of an integrate set of Python libraries.

Let's call those the "Zope Libraries". Because by now we have far more 
than just the ones that came from exploding Zope 3 (e.g. all the ones 
from the 'z3c' namespace).

> There are different web application frameworks that make use of these 
> Zope 3 technologies:
> 
> * Zope 2
> 
> * the Zope 3 web application server (which needs another name in my 
> opinion, as it's too confusing with "Zope 3 the set of libraries")

Why not calling it by the name of the *single* package that implements 
it, zope.app.publication. That's where everything that makes Zope 3 is 
implemented:

- traversal semantics, such as the look up of views
- security (by applying security proxies)
- transaction integration

> * Grok
> 
> * potentially others
> 
> The Zope project aims to develop the underlying technologies and the web 
> application servers on top of it. When you get "Zope" you get it in one 
> of the above web application framework flavors.
> 
> It's hardly a perfect story. To simply matters for myself, I'm focusing 
> on marketing Grok, and in strong association with this, the Zope 3 
> technologies that Grok would be nothing without. The advantage of 
> calling it something else than "Zope" is that you don't get caught up in 
> the identity crisis so much.


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