Re: .NET vs. Java
"Schram, James" <[email protected]> Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:21:02 -0500
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Russ,
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We are definitely a Wintel shop and from what I can tell, that won't be =
changing any time soon.
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The introduction of J2EE (& related app servers, etc.) would require a =
substantial investment, not only in $, but also in education or =
additional staff, not only be the development team, but also for the =
group that supports the infrastructure. In my mind this would amount to =
be a very big cost, which is why I was curious to find out how the two =
platforms compared in terms of features and benefits. To undertake such =
an investment, I would think the promises of J2EE would have to be =
extremely appealing.
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Thanks again for your thoughts.
=20
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: McClelland, Russ [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-ADVOCACY] .NET vs. Java
Don't know of many articles that are un-biased. The (very) few that I =
have come across are just wrong (stating stuff like you can't do =
stateful components in COM+ and other falicies regarding the J2EE =
platform as well), or they trump up the importance of Entity Beans on =
J2EE.
=20
As someone that has been a CIO and a developer, I would offer this =
advice: If your hardware and OS is Wintel, choose MS tools. If you =
don't, you will never (no matter what other people will tell you) fully =
leverage the tools you have already invested in. And while you may be =
able to do lots of things with J2EE, you will spend more time developing =
and leverage your platform than you will with MS tools. If you want to =
squeeze every penny out of ROI, choose the tools that match your =
platform. Once you choose a platform, the chances of your enterprise =
adopting another one is slim, the chances of your enterprise =
supplementing may be high, but the cost of completely replacing systems =
is too high to worry about the WORA (myth).
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Schram, James [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [DOTNET-ADVOCACY] .NET vs. Java
Hi All,
=20
The company I am employed by (I've only been here a month) is un-decided =
on what path to choose: .Net or Java. The IT shop is mostly Microsoft =
(SQL Server, VB, ASP). Over the last year, the person I replaced was =
investigating Java - to the point where some money was spent on =
purchasing tools and developing the beginnings of a framework, but other =
than that, no major financial investments have been made. Since the =
individual with the majority of java knowledge has left, the company is =
again revisiting the decision. The remaining IT staff is well versed =
with Microsoft tools and technologies with very little exposure to Java.
=20
I've Googled ".NET vs Java" with a lot of returns. But a lot of what I =
have read has come from biased sources (on both sides of the argument). =
=20
Can anyone recommend some articles or sites that attempt to treat the =
subject without bias that list the criteria and how each platform =
measures up?
=20
Thanks,
=20
Jim
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Russ,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>We are=20
definitely a Wintel shop and from what I can tell, that won't be =
changing any=20
time soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
introduction of J2EE (& related app servers, etc.) would require a=20
substantial investment, not only in $, but also in education or =
additional=20
staff, not only be the development team, but also for the group that =
supports=20
the infrastructure. In my mind this would amount to be a very big =
cost,=20
which is why I was curious to find out how the two platforms compared in =
terms=20
of features and benefits. To undertake such an investment, I would =
think=20
the promises of J2EE would have to be extremely =
appealing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Thanks=20
again for your thoughts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D796001314-16082002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> McClelland, Russ=20
[mailto:[email protected]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, =
2002 8:42=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[DOTNET-ADVOCACY] .NET vs. Java<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D020493913-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Don't know of many articles that are un-biased. The =
(very) few=20
that I have come across are just wrong (stating stuff like you can't =
do=20
stateful components in COM+ and other falicies regarding the J2EE =
platform as=20
well), or they trump up the importance of Entity Beans on=20
J2EE.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D020493913-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D020493913-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As=20
someone that has been a CIO and a developer, I would offer this =
advice: =20
If your hardware and OS is Wintel, choose MS tools. If you =
don't, you=20
will never (no matter what other people will tell you) fully leverage =
the=20
tools you have already invested in. And while you may be able to =
do lots=20
of things with J2EE, you will spend more time developing and leverage =
your=20
platform than you will with MS tools. If you want to squeeze =
every penny=20
out of ROI, choose the tools that match your platform. Once you =
choose a=20
platform, the chances of your enterprise adopting another one is slim, =
the=20
chances of your enterprise supplementing may be high, but the cost of=20
completely replacing systems is too high to worry about the WORA=20
(myth).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D020493913-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D020493913-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Schram, James=20
[mailto:[email protected]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, =
August 16,=20
2002 8:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[DOTNET-ADVOCACY]=20
.NET vs. Java<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi =
All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The company I am=20
employed by (I've only been here a month) is un-decided on what path =
to=20
choose: .Net or Java. The IT shop is mostly Microsoft (SQL =
Server, VB,=20
ASP). Over the last year, the person I replaced was =
investigating Java=20
- to the point where some money was spent on purchasing tools and =
developing=20
the beginnings of a framework, but other than that, no major =
financial=20
investments have been made. Since the individual with the =
majority of=20
java knowledge has left, the company is again revisiting the =
decision. =20
The remaining IT staff is well versed with Microsoft tools and =
technologies=20
with very little exposure to Java.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I've Googled=20
".NET vs Java" with a lot of returns. But a lot of what I have =
read=20
has come from biased sources (on both sides of the argument). =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Can anyone=20
recommend some articles or sites that attempt to treat the subject =
without=20
bias that list the criteria and how each platform measures=20
up?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D929305112-16082002><FONT face=3DArial=20
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