Re:

> once the market picks up again, and it 
> will, companies like this one will suffer tremendous turnover 

Surely that's true, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they will go out of
business. To me, the overall market seems to be moving towards inexpensive
incompetence: under-specified, under-bid, and under-delivered projects. But
the monthly bill is less! I do not think software development professionals
have proved to business leaders that an understanding of software
development processes and practices translates into less expense in the long
run. Everyone on this list may know that the lessons of "The Mythical
Man-Month" still hold true, but does the average business leader? Or do they
think "Yeah, that's just the squawking of people who miss their foosball
tables and in-office massages"? I think that the gap between good software
development practices and average software development practices is growing
and I think that for that to change, there must be a movement in the
_business_ world, but if you read the business magazines or the
business-oriented software development magazines, this year's silver bullets
are outsourcing and cost control. 

Just my depressed $.02 cents,
Larry
http://www.ThinkingIn.NET/