Re:

Both of these are excellent points. I just hope it all come back into
balance some day soon.

John

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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS]


Well, there are many shops out there pulling this kind of crap and they are
getting desperate people to bite.  After all, the market is pretty bad right
now.  The only good news in all of this is that once the market picks up
again, and it will, companies like this one will suffer tremendous turnover
as a result of their short-sighted attempts to take shameless advantage of
people. The bad news, however, is that larger trends like the move towards
cheaper developers offshore make it unlikely that the market will ever
approach the levels reached during the mid to late nineties.

Having said that, what was going on back in the boom wasn't right either.  I
had candidates attempt to take cell phone calls in the middle of interviews.
I can't tell you how many H1 sweat shops presented absolutely unqualified
candidates that were clearing lying about their experience; they all seemed
to have exactly seven years of experience. People were jumping from job to
job in a year or less and attempting to hold employers hostage.  In general,
technicians demonstrated an overriding arrogance and greed that was simply
amazing to see.  Is it any surprise that some employers are content to screw
programmers because they see it as payback for the way they were getting
screwed in the past?
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Tom Cabanski, President
Objective Advantage, Inc.
http://www.oai.cc


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Leger [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS]

In NYC at that.  Amazing.

--- John Andre <[email protected]> wrote:
> OK, I know prices have dropped, but having led many development teams, 
> I would sooner not work than work for $50K (I am
> assuming this is per year, if
> this is per month my apologies and I wish to submit
> my resume).
>
> Best Wishes and pass me whatever you are smoking.
>
> John Andre
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