Re:

We've been seeing them as useful in getting a client to look at a
candidate, but since the clients aren't offering to pay more if someone
is certified, we certainly aren't either.

I will say that they do get my attention, especially someone that
already has several of the .NET tests under their belt. It at least
makes me take a 2nd look at the resume.

-krk

Kolby R Kappes, PMP
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614-226-5727
Synet Systems
www.synetsystems.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Andre
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS]


Well, as an MCSD I have found it helps with the interview process and
that is it. I have decided not to 're-up' my cert for .Net as I just
don't see it as being worth it (too much cost for too little benefit),
especially with a senior .Net lead developer in NYC only being offered
$50,000.

Best wishes to all,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum
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On Behalf Of Larry O'Brien
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS]


> "To me, the overall market seems to be moving towards inexpensive
> incompetence: under-specified, under-bid, and under-delivered
> projects. But the monthly bill is less!"
>
>
> Absolutely...and about a year from now there will be a lot of jobs
> open in order to fix the "work" done by these scrubs today.

True, but will the "fixes" be done by what Tom called "artisanal"
programmers? For that matter, if the scrubs say "This is what is known
as iterative and incremental development, you got something out there
fast and cheap, it doesn't quite meet your needs, and now we modify it,"
what will you argue? Scrubs modifying sloppy code will eventually become
bogged down (probably), but not for several iterations of their
sloppiness. And, as a good programmer, you will probably be _more_
pessimistic than the scrubs if you're up to bid for the fixing job:
they'll say "Oh, we can change that," and you'll say "It's a complete
mess and to prepare for the future, you should refactor the whole
thing."

These thoughts are making me reconsider my long-held viewpoint that
certifications are a waste. Any MCADs or MCSDs on the list care to share
their cost-benefit analyses?