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Sean Chase <[email protected]> Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:40:35 -0700
Newsgroups gmane.comp.windows.devel.dotnet.jobs
Message-ID <DOTNET-JOBS%[email protected]>
 
The MCSD logo looks cool on a resume, no doubt. Not sure if how much
leverage it has really gotten me in the past to be honest. What really helps
in an interview is having your name as an author or co-author of a technical
book that has been published. I definitely recommend trying to get into that
at least once in your life if you have the time.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of John Andre
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:37 PM
To: [email protected]

Well, as an MCSD I have found it helps with the interview process and that
is it. I have decided not to 're-up' my cert for .Net as I just don't see it
as being worth it (too much cost for too little benefit), especially with a
senior .Net lead developer in NYC only being offered $50,000.

Best wishes to all,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larry O'Brien
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS]


> "To me, the overall market seems to be moving towards inexpensive
> incompetence: under-specified, under-bid, and under-delivered 
> projects. But the monthly bill is less!"
>
>
> Absolutely...and about a year from now there will be a lot of jobs 
> open in order to fix the "work" done by these scrubs today.

True, but will the "fixes" be done by what Tom called "artisanal"
programmers? For that matter, if the scrubs say "This is what is known as
iterative and incremental development, you got something out there fast and
cheap, it doesn't quite meet your needs, and now we modify it," what will
you argue? Scrubs modifying sloppy code will eventually become bogged down
(probably), but not for several iterations of their sloppiness. And, as a
good programmer, you will probably be _more_ pessimistic than the scrubs if
you're up to bid for the fixing job: they'll say "Oh, we can change that,"
and you'll say "It's a complete mess and to prepare for the future, you
should refactor the whole thing."

These thoughts are making me reconsider my long-held viewpoint that
certifications are a waste. Any MCADs or MCSDs on the list care to share
their cost-benefit analyses?