Re: re: coldfusion custom tags for NW (was: Flash......)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Monday 15 September 2003 5:16 am, alan hill wrote:
> > >   The reason why such thoughts preoccupy me is that a little
> > > while ago I was going to create a few Coldfusion custom tags to
> > > wrap around QForms and probably bits from various DHTML apis
> > > (eg. 1k DHTML, Sarissa, netWindows), this was in response to an
> > > existing tag-based api (Fusionscript) moving from open-source
> > > to commercial.
> >
> >Hrm. So do you think there would be value in something like this
> > for ColdFusion developers that want to use NW?
>
> Well I gave a UKCFUG presentation on Fusionscript (a sort of
> tag-based QForms, though it did a bit more in places) when it was
> open-source (it still is up to 1.2) and people *were* interested in
> it.  I think the commercial v2 product is way overpriced (there was
> some acrimony here!), but people have bought it as is my
> understanding.
>
> As Coldfusion now has "Coldfusion Components", giving it some OO
> features at long last, actual Coldfusion custom tags are generally
> seen by the cf_enlightened as being mostly for HTML templating (and
> to a certain extent, for wrapping components for junior developers
> to use).
>
> So yes, I think there would be interest.  Especially as NW is
> designed so it can be integrated into legacy applications.

Something for me to think about then. Thanks.

> >netWindows supports Konq. In fact, Konq is my main browser = )
>
> This is good.  Maybe I'll warm to the idea again once it gets a bit
> nearer to 1.0!  The thing that I would like such a custom tagset to
> do is to be able to only send the appropriate javascript for the
> browser in question, if you get my meaning.  I don't know how much
> bandwidth this would save with NW, but I know the savings in
> something like Sarissa are huge.

Eh, I have explicitly shied away from any approach like this because I 
think that in the long run it's untennable. The ammount of 
browser-specific code in NW is pretty minimal, and we do our best to 
abstract away places where IE is broken.

All in all, using gzip content encoding is probably going to get you 
better results when using NW.

> > Of course, at that point, there will be a
> >credible Open Source alternative to Flash et al. taking hold as
> > the platform battleground moves.
>
> Maybe.  But even if SVG matured tomorrow, Macromedia would still
> have AMF, XMLShadowing and all sorts of neat tricks.  They ain't
> waiting for anyone to catch up.

But that's the cool thing about Open Source. It creeps up on you while 
you're not looking. There aren't (many) flashy product announcements 
and the like. Just unstoppable continued development. So MM better 
not get lazy or we'll eat their lunch = )

- -- 
Alex Russell
[email protected]   BD10 7AFC 87F6 63F9 1691 83FA 9884 3A15 AFC9 61B7
[email protected] F687 1964 1EF6 453E 9BD0 5148 A15D 1D43 AB92 9A46
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQE/ZbvPmIQ6Fa/JYbcRAkcrAKDGGG6piXWrqyXmzCEuchZZAsIT1ACglD/D
/SXCVzd9YPJk8gGQ8y1typk=
=Zbhh
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


_______________________________________________
The netWindows developers list: [email protected]
http://netwindows.org/mailman/listinfo/devel_netwindows.org