I also bought Arabesque at a Church sale and moved on to Ecco-Why is can't be free ware.
"Raymond Yerkes
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I have used ECCO since it first arrived. There has been discussion
lately about a release for free use. I recall an extensive discussion
on this web site years ago, that it boiled down to patents still owned
by Borland for their spread sheet which would have been Quatro Pro,
later sold to Corel as part of the Word Perfect Suite. Has any one
legally pursued the release for this purpose from Borland's original.
The basis of the structure of Ecco Pro is a spread sheet which is what
makes it so flexible. I redesigned an Ecco Pro for my daughter to
record her consignment clothing records and it worked wonderfully until
we hit the maximum file count, but then deleted a lot of old files and
she kept going.
Ray Yerkes
On 8/22/2019 4:31 PM, 'Clyde Christofferson' [email protected]
[eccopro] wrote:
>
> My first copy of ECCO came with the Arabesque name on the manual.
> That was decades ago.
>
> I came across an old email (from 2008) suggesting there had been some
> concern that Netmanage might revoke the license (under which all of us
> are able to use ECCO for free). I have the vaguest recollection from
> those days and earlier. Something fishy was going on in the board
> rooms of big players in the PIM industry, at least thats what many of
> us thought.
>
> ECCO is still as far as I am concerned the best and most versatile
> outliner out there. For years I have used it to build and maintain a
> docketing system tailored to my own needs. Im going to be in great
> distress and a state of mourning if and when it no longer runs on
> available operating systems.
>
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [eccopro] Re: Ecco Happy Place / Arabesque
>
>
> Arabesque was the name of the software company that developed and
> marketed Ecco Pro.
>
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<p>I have used ECCO since it first arrived. There has been
discussion lately about a release for free use. I recall an
extensive discussion on this web site years ago, that it boiled
down to patents still owned by Borland for their spread sheet
which would have been Quatro Pro, later sold to Corel as part of
the Word Perfect Suite. Has any one legally pursued the release
for this purpose from Borland's original. The basis of the
structure of Ecco Pro is a spread sheet which is what makes it so
flexible. I redesigned an Ecco Pro for my daughter to record her
consignment clothing records and it worked wonderfully until we
hit the maximum file count, but then deleted a lot of old files
and she kept going.</p>
<p>Ray Yerkes<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/22/2019 4:31 PM, 'Clyde
Christofferson' <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [eccopro] wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My first copy of ECCO came with the
Arabesque name on the manual. That was decades ago.<o></o></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o> </o></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I came across an old email (from
2008) suggesting there had been some concern that
Netmanage might revoke the license (under which all of
us are able to use ECCO for free). I have the vaguest
recollection from those days and earlier. Something
fishy was going on in the board rooms of big players in
the PIM industry, at least thats what many of us
thought. <o></o></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o> </o></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ECCO is still as far as I am
concerned the best and most versatile outliner out
there. For years I have used it to build and maintain a
docketing system tailored to my own needs. Im going to
be in great distress and a state of mourning if and when
it no longer runs on available operating systems.<o></o></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [eccopro] Re: Ecco Happy Place /
Arabesque<o></o></p>
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