Re: Re: [ecco_pro] Should there be a single consolidated Ecco hub for general discussion?

"Lindsay Graham [email protected] [eccopro]" <[email protected]> Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:18:37 +1100
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I don't have the knowledge or background to respond in detail, Richard, but=
 a couple of questions/comments.

2a.=C2=A0 Don't know what you mean by list format -- how is that different =
from an email list?=C2=A0 Agree about poor titling, but that will always be=
 a problem, regardless of the format.=C2=A0 What do you mean by BBS format?=
=C2=A0 If you mean Bulletin Board System,=C2=A0 I thought that was old tech=
nology that fell by the wayside long ago.

2b.=C2=A0 I would have thought that most people, if not everybody, knew tha=
t Dohmann =3D Compusol =3D Creative Services.=C2=A0 He provided a useful se=
rvice for some people and was, at least in my experience, always helpful --=
 I see no need to bag him unnecessarily.

2d.=C2=A0 I also really dislike Yahoo, but your reference to the difficulty=
 of following a thread is surely more to do with the email client (or maybe=
 some authors not understanding how threads work), than with Yahoo itself.

2e.=C2=A0 See 2 emails from r634718 today -- that should help.=C2=A0 No ide=
a what your last sentence means.

Lindsay Graham


On 25/10/19 0030, idlerwheel1615-/[email protected] [eccopro] wrote:
> 1. It appears that in just a few days, Yahoo will be making making major,=
 unprecedented changes to Groups. I don't understand how this will actually=
 play out or how the changes will affect us. Will our files on one or both =
of the Yahoo boards be lost? Should we go someplace else?
>
> 2. Per your email, today, Lindsay, here are my thoughts:
>
> For me, clear communication and clear, trustworthy information, have been=
 the major frustrations and turnoffs about all of the ECCO data that's out =
there on the Web. If something's just crap, I wish that someone would just =
yank it out rather than leaving that junk there with which I so often waste=
 my time.
>
> a. I really don't want the list format nor do I want to have to read the =
posts via email. Some people give their posts dysfunctional "fantasy titles=
," names that don't indicate what their subject is. It's a real P ITA to ha=
ve to load and read through these messages in order to simply find out what=
 in the world they're actually talking about, and to decide that their topi=
c is irrelevant to me. So, unfortunately, for me, so much of this traffic i=
s just interruptive spam. I'd prefer a nicely-organized BBS format.
>
> b. Friedrich Dohmann has left this world, and so have his Compusol and Cr=
eative Services (Yes: the cat is out of the bag, someone (me) has actually =
said it out loud: all three were the same thing! (You've finally, after all=
 these years, heard this information stated clearly for the first time!).
>
> It's time for us to figure what he was really about, what he said was use=
ful, what he said was pure BS, and which of his files were just digital poi=
son. And to yank that pollution.
>
> c. Many of our files have never been adequately described. It's a real pa=
in to have to download them, one- at-a-time, sometimes install each one in =
order to know what it is (!), then find that it's irrelevant rubbish. And t=
hen, maybe uninstall the thing and hope that its tentacles have actually be=
en expunged from the Windows Registry.
>
> d. Working within Yahoo's structure, for me, is maddening. Trying to foll=
ow a thread is an illogical crazy-making ordeal of clicking and scrolling a=
ttempts that may or may not work. Frankly, I'd rather go someplace else.
>
> e. Finally, this: I've downloaded every ECCO file set that I've been able=
 to find on the Web during the last two years. My hard disk is sagging unde=
r the weight. Not one of my downloads contains every one of the original fi=
les with their original dates. Right now, I'm running the "best," oldest Ec=
co installer from a date of 2004! Is this simply a re-dated original or has=
 it been changed. As it is so often the case in the on-line Ecco nightmare,=
 it=03 9;s "Eat Me," "Drink Me."
>
> f. I'm running Ecco in Linux Mint 19.1 with the xfce desktop, under the W=
ine 4.0 Windows emulating package (Mint's own spin of this Wine version), s=
o getting this to work has been especially tricky. I've spoken more about i=
t on http://www.forums.eccomagic.com/.

>
> Thanks for listening
> Richard
>
>
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      <p>I don&#39;t have the knowledge or background to respond in detail,=
 Richard, but a couple of questions/comments.<br>
<br>
2a.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t know what you mean by list format -- how is that differ=
ent from an email list?=C2=A0 Agree about poor titling, but that will alway=
s be a problem, regardless of the format.=C2=A0 What do you mean by BBS for=
mat?=C2=A0 If you mean Bulletin Board System,=C2=A0 I thought that was old =
technology that fell by the wayside long ago.<br>
<br>
2b.=C2=A0 I would have thought that most people, if not everybody, knew tha=
t Dohmann =3D Compusol =3D Creative Services.=C2=A0 He provided a useful se=
rvice for some people and was, at least in my experience, always helpful --=
 I see no need to bag him unnecessarily.<br>
<br>
2d.=C2=A0 I also really dislike Yahoo, but your reference to the difficulty=
 of following a thread is surely more to do with the email client (or maybe=
 some authors not understanding how threads work), than with Yahoo itself.<=
br>
<br>
2e.=C2=A0 See 2 emails from r634718 today -- that should help.=C2=A0 No ide=
a what your last sentence means.<br>
<br>
Lindsay Graham<br>
<br>
On 25/10/19 0030, idlerwheel1615-/[email protected] [eccopro] wrote:<br>
&gt; 1. It appears that in just a few days, Yahoo will be making making maj=
or, unprecedented changes to Groups. I don&#39;t understand how this will a=
ctually play out or how the changes will affect us. Will our files on one o=
r both of the Yahoo boards be lost? Should we go someplace else?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2. Per your email, today, Lindsay, here are my thoughts:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For me, clear communication and clear, trustworthy information, have b=
een the major frustrations and turnoffs about all of the ECCO data that&#39=
;s out there on the Web. If something&#39;s just crap, I wish that someone =
would just yank it out rather than leaving that junk there with which I so =
often waste my time.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; a. I really don&#39;t want the list format nor do I want to have to re=
ad the posts via email. Some people give their posts dysfunctional &quot;fa=
ntasy titles,&quot; names that don&#39;t indicate what their subject is. It=
&#39;s a real P ITA to have to load and read through these messages in orde=
r to simply find out what in the world they&#39;re actually talking about, =
and to decide that their topic is irrelevant to me. So, unfortunately, for =
me, so much of this traffic is just interruptive spam. I&#39;d prefer a nic=
ely-organized BBS format.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; b. Friedrich Dohmann has left this world, and so have his Compusol and=
 Creative Services (Yes: the cat is out of the bag, someone (me) has actual=
ly said it out loud: all three were the same thing! (You&#39;ve finally, af=
ter all these years, heard this information stated clearly for the first ti=
me!).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It&#39;s time for us to figure what he was really about, what he said =
was useful, what he said was pure BS, and which of his files were just digi=
tal poison. And to yank that pollution.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; c. Many of our files have never been adequately described. It&#39;s a =
real pain to have to download them, one- at-a-time, sometimes install each =
one in order to know what it is (!), then find that it&#39;s irrelevant rub=
bish. And then, maybe uninstall the thing and hope that its tentacles have =
actually been expunged from the Windows Registry.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; d. Working within Yahoo&#39;s structure, for me, is maddening. Trying =
to follow a thread is an illogical crazy-making ordeal of clicking and scro=
lling attempts that may or may not work. Frankly, I&#39;d rather go somepla=
ce else.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; e. Finally, this: I&#39;ve downloaded every ECCO file set that I&#39;v=
e been able to find on the Web during the last two years. My hard disk is s=
agging under the weight. Not one of my downloads contains every one of the =
original files with their original dates. Right now, I&#39;m running the &q=
uot;best,&quot; oldest Ecco installer from a date of 2004! Is this simply a=
 re-dated original or has it been changed. As it is so often the case in th=
e on-line Ecco nightmare, it=03 9;s &quot;Eat Me,&quot; &quot;Drink Me.&quo=
t;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; f. I&#39;m running Ecco in Linux Mint 19.1 with the xfce desktop, unde=
r the Wine 4.0 Windows emulating package (Mint&#39;s own spin of this Wine =
version), so getting this to work has been especially tricky. I&#39;ve spok=
en more about it on http://www.forums.eccomagic.com/.<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks for listening<br>
&gt; Richard<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
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    border-right: none !important;=20
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