RE: Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?

Essentially the client-side of the company (Windows and Office) likes C++, whereas the server-side of the company (ASP.NET) likes C#. I'm unsure about the cloud size (Azure).

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Curt Hagenlocher
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?


Wait, what? VS2012 does not have less managed code than VS2010.

It's a mistake to think of Microsoft as monolithic with respect to something like this. There are large parts of the company with a heavy investment in C#, and that's simply not going to change. For that matter, the C# compiler is being rewritten from C++ to C#. To a great extent, the recent re-emphasis on C++ inside the company is being driven by Windows, which

1) is concerned about being able to run efficiently on low-power devices like phones and tablets.
2) was burnt badly by managed code in the Longhorn era


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]<mailto:alanbaljeu-/[email protected]>> wrote:

I should add that C# can be used to make COM components, and it's much easier with C# than C++ even if you are an experienced C++ developer.

Also, check the stats.  C++ is growing, not dying.  Even Microsoft has switched to C++ after going heavy .net.  VS2010 is slow because it was made in .net, and VS2012 is fast because it was made in C++.

Alan Baljeu

From: Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]<mailto:alanbaljeu-/[email protected]>>
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:07:25 AM

Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?


C++ sense was never as good as C# IntelliSense.  I suggest looking at VisualAssist.

Alan Baljeu

From: Stoyan Damov <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:47:59 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?


One almost unrelated question, but this is the OT list, so :) Would Microsoft implement IntelliSense for C++ or this has already been done? I understand there aren't so many C++ developers these days (and I'm not an every day one either) but every now and then I have to create this or that COM component (yeah... :() and VS2010 drives me mad, especially since I'm so used to Resharper and IntelliJ Idea which both beat IntelliSense...

Thanks,
Stoyan
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Philo Janus <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

The part that baffles me - fifteen years of software have shown us that Power Users absolutely *love* to customize their user experience. Windows Wallpaper, WindowBlinds, WinAmp skins, Firefox, Chrome, etc, etc - give a geek an API to the UI and they're off to the races.

So the Visual Studio team thought it would be a bright idea to make VS completely bland and uncustomizable?

I truly worry about the culture at Microsoft - it really feels like they've lost sight of the community sometimes.

Philo

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From: [email protected]<mailto:win_tech_off_topic%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:win_tech_off_topic%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Anna-Jayne Metcalfe
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:44 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:win_tech_off_topic%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?
Hi ,

> That's old news, and was updated in the final release to be a better-looking alternative that what was seen in April.

I tend to think of it as "slightly less worse looking than the beta". If UserVoice and other forums are anything to go by the calls for further change (e.g. a complete reversion to the style of its predecessor) don't seem to have abated either.


Cheers,

Anna