RE: Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?

The cloud side wants to sell compute cycles. You could be using C++, C#,
Java, Python, or an abacus for all we care. J

 

-Chris

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:03 AM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?

 

  

Essentially the client-side of the company (Windows and Office) likes C++,
whereas the server-side of the company (ASP.NET) likes C#. I'm unsure about
the cloud size (Azure).

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:48 AM
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Wait, what? VS2012 does not have less managed code than VS2010.

 

It's a mistake to think of Microsoft as monolithic with respect to something
like this. There are large parts of the company with a heavy investment in
C#, and that's simply not going to change. For that matter, the C# compiler
is being rewritten from C++ to C#. To a great extent, the recent re-emphasis
on C++ inside the company is being driven by Windows, which

 

1) is concerned about being able to run efficiently on low-power devices
like phones and tablets.
2) was burnt badly by managed code in the Longhorn era


 

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]> wrote:

 

I should add that C# can be used to make COM components, and it's much
easier with C# than C++ even if you are an experienced C++ developer.  

 

Also, check the stats.  C++ is growing, not dying.  Even Microsoft has
switched to C++ after going heavy .net.  VS2010 is slow because it was made
in .net, and VS2012 is fast because it was made in C++.

 

Alan Baljeu

 

From: Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]>

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Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?

 

  

C++ sense was never as good as C# IntelliSense.  I suggest looking at
VisualAssist.

 

Alan Baljeu

 

From: Stoyan Damov <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:47:59 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?

 

  

One almost unrelated question, but this is the OT list, so :) Would
Microsoft implement IntelliSense for C++ or this has already been done? I
understand there aren't so many C++ developers these days (and I'm not an
every day one either) but every now and then I have to create this or that
COM component (yeah... :() and VS2010 drives me mad, especially since I'm so
used to Resharper and IntelliJ Idea which both beat IntelliSense...

Thanks,
Stoyan

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Philo Janus <[email protected]> wrote:

  

The part that baffles me - fifteen years of software have shown us that
Power Users absolutely *love* to customize their user experience. Windows
Wallpaper, WindowBlinds, WinAmp skins, Firefox, Chrome, etc, etc - give a
geek an API to the UI and they're off to the races. 

So the Visual Studio team thought it would be a bright idea to make VS
completely bland and uncustomizable? 

I truly worry about the culture at Microsoft - it really feels like they've
lost sight of the community sometimes. 

Philo 


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Hi , 

> That's old news, and was updated in the final release to be a
better-looking alternative that what was seen in April. 

I tend to think of it as "slightly less worse looking than the beta". If
UserVoice and other forums are anything to go by the calls for further
change (e.g. a complete reversion to the style of its predecessor) don't
seem to have abated either. 


Cheers, 

Anna