RE: Hello again + Windows app development

"Shawn Wildermuth" <[email protected]> Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:41:55 -0500
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I am concentrating on both. Ok, to be fair I am concentrating on HTML/CSS s=
tack since that=E2=80=99s the stack I know less=E2=80=A6but I get asks for =
both platforms pretty evenly right now. The only place where HTML is a big =
win is in cross-plat work. (I am doing quite a bit of PhoneGap for iPhone/A=
ndroid).

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- stw

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I don=E2=80=99t even use spell check =E2=80=93 my misspellings are on purpo=
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From: [email protected] [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogr=
oups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Baljeu
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 2:12 PM
To: [email protected]; Brad Wilson
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development

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Ditto that.  C# is my preferred language for Windows.  C++ is preferred for=
 high-performance, but it's rare code now that needs such.  I would choose =
HTML only if I wanted to migrate to other platforms and web.  So I'm sure M=
icrosoft doesn't want to promote that more than it has to.  HTML support is=
 there as the bridge to draw people into the MS fold.

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Alan Baljeu

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From: Drew Marsh <dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <win_tech_off_topic-hHKSG33Tihh9OS/[email protected]=
m>; Brad Wilson <[email protected]>=20
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 1:33:49 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development

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I truly question that=E2=80=99s the case. They invested a ton of time on in=
tegrating XAML into the platform and the only reason to have done that is t=
o continue to support the WPF =E2=80=9Cinspired=E2=80=9D (it=E2=80=99s almo=
st identical in many ways) stack they=E2=80=99ve created with the WinRT UI =
APIs.

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If they really do expect that though, I think they=E2=80=99re going to be i=
n for a rude awakening =E2=80=98cause any polls/discussions I=E2=80=99ve ev=
er seen have most people intending to write their Windows Store apps with C=
#/.NET. Heck, even the C++ people will build their apps using the XAML/WinR=
T UI APIs, so language really doesn=E2=80=99t matter here and we should exp=
ect that those APIs will be a perfectly viable and evolving stack for all o=
f us for a long, long time*.

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Just my 2=C2=A2,

Drew

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* At least until Windows vNext. ;P

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From: Brad Wilson <[email protected]>
Sent: November 9, 2012 9:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development

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I believe the Windows team wishes you'd switch to HTML, but I doubt that in=
 the short term people will switch away from .NET.

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And of course the people who already use C++ will continue to use C++ until=
 the heat death of the universe. :-p

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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM, plafond444 <[email protected]> wrote:

just curious... What's your view about win app development(win8) in 2-3 yea=
rs from now?  Purely HTML? : )

--- In [email protected], Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> wrot=
e:
>
> It depends on how you define "dead".
>
> In terms of expecting innovation from Microsoft, it's dead. In terms of
> people writing apps with it, it's quite alive.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Chris Sells <csells@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >  WPF is not dead. At Telerik, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2re seeing a slu=
mp in SL but an increase
> > in WPF.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *serdar
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:25 PM
> > *To:* [email protected]
> > *Subject:* [OT] Hello again + Windows app development****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> >   ****
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I haven't been on these forums for several years and only came about it=
 by
> > accidentally signing into my yahoo mail! It's great to see that
> > win_tech_off_topic is still around and active (think this was created b=
ack
> > in the DevelopMentor days, right?), anyway.. enough nostalgia or else I=
 may
> > have to get some Kleenex out :)
> >
> > Following on from Stoyan's recent post on a WPF Book I was a bit surpri=
sed
> > to hear that WPF is essentially dead. If one were to write a Windows ap=
p
> > targeting Windows 7 & Windows 8 today what framework would one choose?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Serdar****
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



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      <p><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">I am concentrating on both. Ok, to be fair=
 I am concentrating on HTML/CSS stack since that=E2=80=99s the stack I know=
 less=E2=80=A6but I get asks for both platforms pretty evenly right now. Th=
e only place where HTML is a big win is in cross-plat work. (I am doing qui=
te a bit of PhoneGap for iPhone/Android).<o></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span>=
</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F49=
7D;">- stw<o></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">I don=E2=80=99t even use spell =
check =E2=80=93 my misspellings are on purpose.<o></o></span></p></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o>&nbsp=
;</o></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> [email protected] [mailto:win=
[email protected]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Baljeu<br><b>Sent=
:</b> Friday, November 9, 2012 2:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> win_tech_off_topic@yah=
oogroups.com; Brad Wilson<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows=
 app development<o></o></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o>&nb=
sp;</o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp; <o></o></p><div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg">=
<div id=3D"ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"ygrp-text"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Ditto that. &nbsp=
;C# is my preferred language for Windows. &nbsp;C&#43;+ is preferred for hi=
gh-performance, but it's rare code now that needs such. &nbsp;I would choos=
e HTML only if I wanted to migrate to other platforms and web. &nbsp;So I'm=
 sure Microsoft doesn't want to promote that more than it has to. &nbsp;HTM=
L support is there as the bridge to draw people into the MS fold.<o></o></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span=
 style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Alan Baljeu=
<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"background:white;"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"=
>From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> Drew Marsh =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]">dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]</a>&gt;<br><b>To:<=
/b> &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">win_tech_of=
[email protected]</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic@=
yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>&gt;; Brad Wilson &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; <br><b=
>Sent:</b> Friday, November 9, 2012 1:33:49 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OT] =
Hello again + Windows app development</span><span style=3D"color:black;"><o=
></o></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><s=
pan style=3D"color:black;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span></p><div id=3D"yiv1241980010=
"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"co=
lor:black;">&nbsp; <o></o></span></p><div id=3D"yiv1241980010ygrp-text"><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"co=
lor:black;">I truly question that=E2=80=99s the case. They invested a ton o=
f time on integrating XAML into the platform and the only reason to have do=
ne that is to continue to support the WPF&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cinspired=E2=80=9D&n=
bsp;(it=E2=80=99s almost identical in many ways) stack they=E2=80=99ve crea=
ted with the WinRT UI APIs.<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;<o></o><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><sp=
an style=3D"color:black;">If they really do&nbsp;expect that though, I thin=
k they=E2=80=99re going to be in for a rude awakening&nbsp;=E2=80=98cause a=
ny polls/discussions I=E2=80=99ve ever seen have most people intending to w=
rite their Windows Store apps with C#/.NET. Heck, even the C&#43;+ people w=
ill build their apps using the XAML/WinRT UI APIs, so language really doesn=
=E2=80=99t matter here and we should expect that those APIs will be a perfe=
ctly viable and evolving&nbsp;stack for all of us for a long, long time*.<o=
></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white=
;"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Jus=
t my 2=C2=A2,<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"b=
ackground:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Drew<o></o></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"colo=
r:black;">&nbsp;<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">* At least until Window=
s vNext. ;P<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"bac=
kground:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;<o></o></span></p></div>=
<div style=3D"border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"background:white;"><b><span style=3D"color:black;">From:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;Brad Wilson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dotnetguy@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b>&nb=
sp;November 9, 2012 9:55 AM<br><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_o=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.=
com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app developm=
ent<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:=
white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;<o></o></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;=
"><br><br>I believe the Windows team wishes you'd switch to HTML, but I dou=
bt that in the short term people will switch away from .NET.<o></o></span><=
/p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"c=
olor:black;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">And of course the peop=
le who already use C&#43;+ will continue to use C&#43;+ until the heat deat=
h of the universe. :-p<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;"><o>&nbsp;</o></span=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D=
"color:black;">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM, plafond444 &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<o></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><sp=
an style=3D"color:black;">just curious... What's your view about win app de=
velopment(win8) in 2-3 years from now? &nbsp;Purely HTML? : )<br><br>--- In=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wi=
[email protected]</a>, Brad Wilson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dot=
netguy@...">dotnetguy@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It depends on how =
you define &quot;dead&quot;.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In terms of expecting innovati=
on from Microsoft, it's dead. In terms of<br>&gt; people writing apps with =
it, it's quite alive.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:38 A=
M, Chris Sells &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:csells@...">csells@...</a>&gt;wrote:<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;WPF is not dead. At Tel=
erik, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2re seeing a slump in SL but an increase<br>=
&gt; &gt; in WPF.****<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ** **<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; =
&gt; *From:* <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [mailto:<br>&gt; &gt; <a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_t=
[email protected]</a>] *On Behalf Of *serdar<br>&gt; &gt; *Sent=
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:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_tech_off_topic@y=
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evelopment****<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ** **<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &n=
bsp; ****<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hi all,<br>&gt; &gt; I haven't been on =
these forums for several years and only came about it by<br>&gt; &gt; accid=
entally signing into my yahoo mail! It's great to see that<br>&gt; &gt; win=
_tech_off_topic is still around and active (think this was created back<br>=
&gt; &gt; in the DevelopMentor days, right?), anyway.. enough nostalgia or =
else I may<br>&gt; &gt; have to get some Kleenex out :)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt=
; &gt; Following on from Stoyan's recent post on a WPF Book I was a bit sur=
prised<br>&gt; &gt; to hear that WPF is essentially dead. If one were to wr=
ite a Windows app<br>&gt; &gt; targeting Windows 7 &amp; Windows 8 today wh=
at framework would one choose?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; &g=
t; Serdar****<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ****<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&=
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