RE: Hello again + Windows app development
"Shawn Wildermuth" <[email protected]> Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:41:55 -0500
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------=_NextPart_000_0744_01CDBE88.5E075160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am concentrating on both. Ok, to be fair I am concentrating on HTML/CSS s= tack since that=E2=80=99s the stack I know less=E2=80=A6but I get asks for = both platforms pretty evenly right now. The only place where HTML is a big = win is in cross-plat work. (I am doing quite a bit of PhoneGap for iPhone/A= ndroid). =20 - stw =20 I don=E2=80=99t even use spell check =E2=80=93 my misspellings are on purpo= se. =20 From: [email protected] [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogr= oups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Baljeu Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 2:12 PM To: [email protected]; Brad Wilson Subject: Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development =20 =20=20 Ditto that. C# is my preferred language for Windows. C++ is preferred for= high-performance, but it's rare code now that needs such. I would choose = HTML only if I wanted to migrate to other platforms and web. So I'm sure M= icrosoft doesn't want to promote that more than it has to. HTML support is= there as the bridge to draw people into the MS fold. =20 Alan Baljeu =20 From: Drew Marsh <dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <win_tech_off_topic-hHKSG33Tihh9OS/[email protected]= m>; Brad Wilson <[email protected]>=20 Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 1:33:49 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development =20 =20=20 I truly question that=E2=80=99s the case. They invested a ton of time on in= tegrating XAML into the platform and the only reason to have done that is t= o continue to support the WPF =E2=80=9Cinspired=E2=80=9D (it=E2=80=99s almo= st identical in many ways) stack they=E2=80=99ve created with the WinRT UI = APIs. =20 If they really do expect that though, I think they=E2=80=99re going to be i= n for a rude awakening =E2=80=98cause any polls/discussions I=E2=80=99ve ev= er seen have most people intending to write their Windows Store apps with C= #/.NET. Heck, even the C++ people will build their apps using the XAML/WinR= T UI APIs, so language really doesn=E2=80=99t matter here and we should exp= ect that those APIs will be a perfectly viable and evolving stack for all o= f us for a long, long time*. =20 Just my 2=C2=A2, Drew =20 * At least until Windows vNext. ;P =20 From: Brad Wilson <[email protected]> Sent: November 9, 2012 9:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development =20 I believe the Windows team wishes you'd switch to HTML, but I doubt that in= the short term people will switch away from .NET. =20 And of course the people who already use C++ will continue to use C++ until= the heat death of the universe. :-p =20 On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM, plafond444 <[email protected]> wrote: just curious... What's your view about win app development(win8) in 2-3 yea= rs from now? Purely HTML? : ) --- In [email protected], Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> wrot= e: > > It depends on how you define "dead". > > In terms of expecting innovation from Microsoft, it's dead. In terms of > people writing apps with it, it's quite alive. > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Chris Sells <csells@...>wrote: > > > > > > > WPF is not dead. At Telerik, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2re seeing a slu= mp in SL but an increase > > in WPF.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *serdar > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:25 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* [OT] Hello again + Windows app development**** > > > > ** ** > > > > **** > > > > Hi all, > > I haven't been on these forums for several years and only came about it= by > > accidentally signing into my yahoo mail! It's great to see that > > win_tech_off_topic is still around and active (think this was created b= ack > > in the DevelopMentor days, right?), anyway.. enough nostalgia or else I= may > > have to get some Kleenex out :) > > > > Following on from Stoyan's recent post on a WPF Book I was a bit surpri= sed > > to hear that WPF is essentially dead. If one were to write a Windows ap= p > > targeting Windows 7 & Windows 8 today what framework would one choose? > > > > Cheers, > > Serdar**** > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0744_01CDBE88.5E075160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"= font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">I am concentrating on both. Ok, to be fair= I am concentrating on HTML/CSS stack since that=E2=80=99s the stack I know= less=E2=80=A6but I get asks for both platforms pretty evenly right now. Th= e only place where HTML is a big win is in cross-plat work. (I am doing qui= te a bit of PhoneGap for iPhone/Android).<o></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN= ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span>= </p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F49= 7D;">- stw<o></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size= :11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa= n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">I don=E2=80=99t even use spell = check =E2=80=93 my misspellings are on purpose.<o></o></span></p></div><p c= lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"><o> = ;</o></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;"><p clas= s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span = style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> [email protected] [mailto:win= [email protected]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Baljeu<br><b>Sent= :</b> Friday, November 9, 2012 2:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> win_tech_off_topic@yah= oogroups.com; Brad Wilson<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows= app development<o></o></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o>&nb= sp;</o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o></o></p><div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg">= <div id=3D"ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"ygrp-text"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Ditto that.  = ;C# is my preferred language for Windows. C++ is preferred for hi= gh-performance, but it's rare code now that needs such. I would choos= e HTML only if I wanted to migrate to other platforms and web. So I'm= sure Microsoft doesn't want to promote that more than it has to. HTM= L support is there as the bridge to draw people into the MS fold.<o></o></s= pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span= style=3D"color:black;"> <o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN= ormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Alan Baljeu= <o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:bl= ack;"><o> </o></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s= tyle=3D"background:white;"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"= >From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> Drew Marsh = <<a href=3D"mailto:dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]">dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]</a>><br><b>To:<= /b> "<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">win_tech_of= [email protected]</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic@= yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>>; Brad Wilson &l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> <br><b= >Sent:</b> Friday, November 9, 2012 1:33:49 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OT] = Hello again + Windows app development</span><span style=3D"color:black;"><o= ></o></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><s= pan style=3D"color:black;"><o> </o></span></p><div id=3D"yiv1241980010= "><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"co= lor:black;"> <o></o></span></p><div id=3D"yiv1241980010ygrp-text"><di= v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"co= lor:black;">I truly question that=E2=80=99s the case. They invested a ton o= f time on integrating XAML into the platform and the only reason to have do= ne that is to continue to support the WPF =E2=80=9Cinspired=E2=80=9D&n= bsp;(it=E2=80=99s almost identical in many ways) stack they=E2=80=99ve crea= ted with the WinRT UI APIs.<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm= al" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;"> <o></o><= /span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><sp= an style=3D"color:black;">If they really do expect that though, I thin= k they=E2=80=99re going to be in for a rude awakening =E2=80=98cause a= ny polls/discussions I=E2=80=99ve ever seen have most people intending to w= rite their Windows Store apps with C#/.NET. Heck, even the C++ people w= ill build their apps using the XAML/WinRT UI APIs, so language really doesn= =E2=80=99t matter here and we should expect that those APIs will be a perfe= ctly viable and evolving stack for all of us for a long, long time*.<o= ></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white= ;"><span style=3D"color:black;"> <o></o></span></p></div><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Jus= t my 2=C2=A2,<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"b= ackground:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">Drew<o></o></span></p></div>= <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"colo= r:black;"> <o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style= =3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">* At least until Window= s vNext. ;P<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"bac= kground:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;"> <o></o></span></p></div>= <div style=3D"border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style= =3D"background:white;"><b><span style=3D"color:black;">From:</span></b><spa= n style=3D"color:black;"> Brad Wilson <<a href=3D"mailto:dotnetguy@= gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br><b>Sent:</b>&nb= sp;November 9, 2012 9:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_o= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.= com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app developm= ent<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:= white;"><span style=3D"color:black;"> <o></o></span></p></div><div><p = class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;= "><br><br>I believe the Windows team wishes you'd switch to HTML, but I dou= bt that in the short term people will switch away from .NET.<o></o></span><= /p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"c= olor:black;"><o> </o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl= e=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;">And of course the peop= le who already use C++ will continue to use C++ until the heat deat= h of the universe. :-p<o></o></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s= tyle=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D"color:black;"><o> </o></span= ></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span style=3D= "color:black;">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM, plafond444 <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wro= te:<o></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><sp= an style=3D"color:black;">just curious... What's your view about win app de= velopment(win8) in 2-3 years from now? Purely HTML? : )<br><br>--- In= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wi= [email protected]</a>, Brad Wilson <<a href=3D"mailto:dot= netguy@...">dotnetguy@...</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> It depends on how = you define "dead".<br>><br>> In terms of expecting innovati= on from Microsoft, it's dead. In terms of<br>> people writing apps with = it, it's quite alive.<br>><br>><br>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:38 A= M, Chris Sells <<a href=3D"mailto:csells@...">csells@...</a>>wrote:<b= r>><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > WPF is not dead. At Tel= erik, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2re seeing a slump in SL but an increase<br>= > > in WPF.****<br>> ><br>> > ** **<br>> ><br>> = > *From:* <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [mailto:<br>> > <a= href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_t= [email protected]</a>] *On Behalf Of *serdar<br>> > *Sent= :* Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:25 PM<br>> > *To:* <a href=3D"mailto= :[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_tech_off_topic@y= ahoogroups.com</a><br>> > *Subject:* [OT] Hello again + Windows app d= evelopment****<br>> ><br>> > ** **<br>> ><br>> > &n= bsp; ****<br>> ><br>> > Hi all,<br>> > I haven't been on = these forums for several years and only came about it by<br>> > accid= entally signing into my yahoo mail! It's great to see that<br>> > win= _tech_off_topic is still around and active (think this was created back<br>= > > in the DevelopMentor days, right?), anyway.. enough nostalgia or = else I may<br>> > have to get some Kleenex out :)<br>> ><br>>= ; > Following on from Stoyan's recent post on a WPF Book I was a bit sur= prised<br>> > to hear that WPF is essentially dead. If one were to wr= ite a Windows app<br>> > targeting Windows 7 & Windows 8 today wh= at framework would one choose?<br>> ><br>> > Cheers,<br>> &g= t; Serdar****<br>> ><br>> > ****<br>> ><br>> ><br>&= gt; ><br>> ><br>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------= ------<br><br>Yahoo! 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