Re: Hello again + Windows app development
Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]> Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:11:50 -0800 (PST)
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---347748201-1844111947-1352488310=:11798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ditto that. =C2=A0C# is my preferred language for Windows. =C2=A0C++ is pre= ferred for high-performance, but it's rare code now that needs such. =C2=A0= I would choose HTML only if I wanted to migrate to other platforms and web.= =C2=A0So I'm sure Microsoft doesn't want to promote that more than it has = to. =C2=A0HTML support is there as the bridge to draw people into the MS fo= ld. =C2=A0 Alan Baljeu From: Drew Marsh <dmarsh-cq8ukGSnL/[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <win_tech_off_topic-hHKSG33Tihh9OS/[email protected]= m>; Brad Wilson <[email protected]>=20 Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 1:33:49 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development =20 =C2=A0=20 I truly question that=E2=80=99s the case. They invested a ton of time on in= tegrating XAML into the platform and the only reason to have done that is t= o continue to support the WPF=C2=A0=E2=80=9Cinspired=E2=80=9D=C2=A0(it=E2= =80=99s almost identical in many ways) stack they=E2=80=99ve created with t= he WinRT UI APIs. =C2=A0 If they really do=C2=A0expect that though, I think they=E2=80=99re going to= be in for a rude awakening=C2=A0=E2=80=98cause any polls/discussions I=E2= =80=99ve ever seen have most people intending to write their Windows Store = apps with C#/.NET. Heck, even the C++ people will build their apps using th= e XAML/WinRT UI APIs, so language really doesn=E2=80=99t matter here and we= should expect that those APIs will be a perfectly viable and evolving=C2= =A0stack for all of us for a long, long time*. =C2=A0 Just my 2=C2=A2, Drew =C2=A0 * At least until Windows vNext. ;P =C2=A0 From:=C2=A0Brad Wilson <[email protected]> Sent:=C2=A0November 9, 2012 9:55 AM To:[email protected] Subject:=C2=A0Re: [OT] Hello again + Windows app development =C2=A0 I believe the Windows team wishes you'd switch to HTML, but I doubt that in= the short term people will switch away from .NET. And of course the people who already use C++ will continue to use C++ until= the heat death of the universe. :-p On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM, plafond444 <[email protected]> wrote: just curious... What's your view about win app development(win8) in 2-3 yea= rs from now? =C2=A0Purely HTML? : ) > >--- In [email protected], Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> wro= te: >> >> It depends on how you define "dead". >> >> In terms of expecting innovation from Microsoft, it's dead. In terms of >> people writing apps with it, it's quite alive. >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Chris Sells <csells@...>wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > =C2=A0WPF is not dead. At Telerik, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2re seeing= a slump in SL but an increase >> > in WPF.**** >> > >> > ** ** >> > >> > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *serdar >> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:25 PM >> > *To:* [email protected] >> > *Subject:* [OT] Hello again + Windows app development**** >> > >> > ** ** >> > >> > =C2=A0 **** >> > >> > Hi all, >> > I haven't been on these forums for several years and only came about i= t by >> > accidentally signing into my yahoo mail! It's great to see that >> > win_tech_off_topic is still around and active (think this was created = back >> > in the DevelopMentor days, right?), anyway.. enough nostalgia or else = I may >> > have to get some Kleenex out :) >> > >> > Following on from Stoyan's recent post on a WPF Book I was a bit surpr= ised >> > to hear that WPF is essentially dead. If one were to write a Windows a= pp >> > targeting Windows 7 & Windows 8 today what framework would one choose? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Serdar**** >> > >> > **** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =C2=A0 =20 ---347748201-1844111947-1352488310=:11798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma,= new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>Ditto that. C# is= my preferred language for Windows. C++ is preferred for high-per= formance, but it's rare code now that needs such. I would choose HTML= only if I wanted to migrate to other platforms and web. So I'm sure = Microsoft doesn't want to promote that more than it has to. HTML supp= ort is there as the bridge to draw people into the MS fold.</span></div><di= v><span></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Alan Baljeu<br></div>= <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 16px;font-family: tahoma, 'new= york', times, serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;"><br= ></div><div style=3D"font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif;font-siz= e: 12pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, = serif;font-size: 12pt;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">=20 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Drew Marsh <dmars= [email protected]><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "w= [email protected]" <[email protected]&g= t;; Brad Wilson <[email protected]> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-wei= ght: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 9, 2012 1:33:49 PM<br> <b><sp= an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [OT] Hello again + = Windows app development<br> </font> </div> <br><div id=3D"yiv1241980010"> <div> <span> </span> <div id=3D"yiv1241980010ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"font-size:16px;"> <div>I truly question that=E2=80=99s the case. They invested a ton of time = on integrating XAML into the platform and the only reason to have done that= is to continue to support the WPF =E2=80=9Cinspired=E2=80=9D (it= =E2=80=99s almost identical in many ways) stack they=E2=80=99ve created wit= h the WinRT UI APIs.</div> <div> </div><div>If they really do expect that though, I think th= ey=E2=80=99re going to be in for a rude awakening =E2=80=98cause any p= olls/discussions I=E2=80=99ve ever seen have most people intending to write= their Windows Store apps with C#/.NET. Heck, even the C++ people will = build their apps using the XAML/WinRT UI APIs, so language really doesn=E2= =80=99t matter here and we should expect that those APIs will be a perfectl= y viable and evolving stack for all of us for a long, long time*.</div= > <div> </div><div>Just my 2=C2=A2,</div><div>Drew</div><div> </div= ><div>* At least until Windows vNext. ;P</div><div> </div> <div style= =3D"border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1px;border-top-style= :solid;"> <b>From:</b> Brad Wilson <<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dotnetguy@gma= il.com">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> November 9, 2012 9:55 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a rel=3D= "nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"= _blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">win_tech_off_top= [email protected]</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OT] Hello again + Win= dows app development<br> </div> <div> </div> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <div> <br><br> I believe the Windows team wishes you'd switch to HTML, but I doubt that in= the short term people will switch away from .NET.<div><br></div><div>And o= f course the people who already use C++ will continue to use C++ un= til the heat death of the universe. :-p</div> <div class=3D"yiv1241980010 yiv1241980010gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D= "yiv1241980010 yiv1241980010gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 AM, pl= afond444 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" tabindex=3D"-1" ymailto= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:plafond444= @lfdx.com">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"yiv1241980010 yiv1241980010gmail_quote" style=3D"borde= r-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid= ;"> just curious... What's your view about win app development(win8) in 2-3 yea= rs from now? Purely HTML? : )<br> <br> --- In <a rel=3D"nofollow" tabindex=3D"-1" ymailto=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_t= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic@y= ahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>, Brad Wilson <dot= netguy@...> wrote:<br> ><br> > It depends on how you define "dead".<br> ><br> > In terms of expecting innovation from Microsoft, it's dead. In terms o= f<br> > people writing apps with it, it's quite alive.<br> ><br> ><br> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Chris Sells <csells@...>wrote:<b= r> ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > WPF is not dead. At Telerik, we=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2re s= eeing a slump in SL but an increase<br> > > in WPF.****<br> > ><br> > > ** **<br> > ><br> > > *From:* <a rel=3D"nofollow" tabindex=3D"-1" ymailto=3D"mailto:win= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:win_tech_= [email protected]">[email protected]</a> [mailto:<= br> > > <a rel=3D"nofollow" tabindex=3D"-1" ymailto=3D"mailto:win_tech_of= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topi= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>] *On Behalf Of *s= erdar<br> > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:25 PM<br> > > *To:* <a rel=3D"nofollow" tabindex=3D"-1" ymailto=3D"mailto:win_t= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:win_tech_of= [email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> > > *Subject:* [OT] Hello again + Windows app development****<br> > ><br> > > ** **<br> > ><br> > > ****<br> > ><br> > > Hi all,<br> > > I haven't been on these forums for several years and only came ab= out it by<br> > > accidentally signing into my yahoo mail! It's great to see that<b= r> > > win_tech_off_topic is still around and active (think this was cre= ated back<br> > > in the DevelopMentor days, right?), anyway.. enough nostalgia or = else I may<br> > > have to get some Kleenex out :)<br> > ><br> > > Following on from Stoyan's recent post on a WPF Book I was a bit = surprised<br> > > to hear that WPF is essentially dead. If one were to write a Wind= ows app<br> > > targeting Windows 7 & Windows 8 today what framework would on= e choose?<br> > ><br> > > Cheers,<br> > > Serdar****<br> > ><br> > > ****<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> ><br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------------<br> <br> Yahoo! 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