Re: Purchasing Visual Studio without MSDN

"Brad Wilson [email protected] [win_tech_off_topic]" <[email protected]> Sat, 20 Aug 2016 08:47:13 -0700
Newsgroups gmane.comp.windows.off-topic
Message-ID <CAH9GJ-ZPABg1TQJm6vYCw7dfL3spmKWoBOt5YCAHWxmY2raftg@mail.gmail.com>
--001a1147978ac27a30053a82bbb2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

You can buy Professional without MSDN. You cannot buy Enterprise without
MSDN.

IMO, it's nearly impossible to justify the difference between $500 (US
Professional Standalone price) and $5999 (US Enterprise + MSDN price).
There are no features anywhere in Visual Studio that justify $5500.

Also, be wary of the "cloud" license, because it's non-perpetual; that is,
it's cheaper, because unlike the MSDN subscription, your right to use the
software terminates the day your subscription ends. With the MSDN
subscription, you have a perpetual license to use whatever was available
during the term of your subscription (just make sure to download the ISOs
and acquire the product keys before the subscription expires, because the
license includes your right to run the software, not to download it :-p).

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:04 AM, John Elliot V [email protected]
[win_tech_off_topic] <[email protected]> wrote:

> Since we're all talking again... and at the risk of being dangerously
> on-topic... :)
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to purchase just Visual Studio
> Enterprise without an MSDN subscription..?
>
> Over here on the Microsoft Store Visual Studio Enterprise is only
> available bundled with an MSDN subscription for $4,000+ (ouch):
>
> https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/list/
> Visual-Studio/categoryID.65081900
>
> I have a trial version of Visual Studio Enterprise installed on my new
> Windows 10 virtual machine that is valid until November 14. Ideally I'd
> just be able to register that version and save myself the nuisance of
> uninstalling/reinstalling.
>
> Or maybe I don't want Visual Studio Enterprise and I want
> Express/Community/Professional instead..?
>
> I have an old code base (C# 2 I think) that I'm planning to resurrect
> for fun and profit and I need an IDE for it. My project is a web
> interface (implementing IHttpHandler and taking it from there, no real
> ASP.NET integration) to Analysis Services cubes exposed by their
> XML/SOAP thingamajig...
>
> Love,
> DJ Mort.
> --
> E: [email protected]
> P: +61 4 3505 7839
> W: https://www.jj5.net/
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: John Elliot V <[email protected]>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--001a1147978ac27a30053a82bbb2
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable




<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm=
l4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
</head>






=20
<body style=3D"background-color: #fff;">
<span style=3D"display:none">&nbsp;</span>

<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~-->
<div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;">
  <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;">
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~-->

    <div id=3D"ygrp-text" >
=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20=20
      <p><div dir=3D"ltr">You can buy Professional without MSDN. You cannot=
 buy Enterprise without MSDN.<div><br></div><div>IMO, it&#39;s nearly impos=
sible to justify the difference between $500 (US Professional Standalone pr=
ice) and $5999 (US Enterprise + MSDN price). There are no features anywhere=
 in Visual Studio that justify $5500.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, be=
 wary of the &quot;cloud&quot; license, because it&#39;s non-perpetual; tha=
t is, it&#39;s cheaper, because unlike the MSDN subscription, your right to=
 use the software terminates the day your subscription ends. With the MSDN =
subscription, you have a perpetual license to use whatever was available du=
ring the term of your subscription (just make sure to download the ISOs and=
 acquire the product keys before the subscription expires, because the lice=
nse includes your right to run the software, not to download it :-p).</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug=
 20, 2016 at 8:04 AM, John Elliot V <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">jj5@jj5.=
net</a> [win_tech_off_topic] <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:win_te=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">win_tech_off_topic@yahoogro=
ups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left:1px #ccc solid;">Since we&#39;re all talking again... and at t=
he risk of being dangerously<br>
on-topic... :)<br>
<br>
Does anyone know if it&#39;s possible to purchase just Visual Studio<br>
Enterprise without an MSDN subscription..?<br>
<br>
Over here on the Microsoft Store Visual Studio Enterprise is only<br>
available bundled with an MSDN subscription for $4,000+ (ouch):<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/list/Visual-Stu=
dio/categoryID.65081900" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.m=
icrosoftstore.<wbr>com/store/msaus/en_AU/list/<wbr>Visual-Studio/categoryID=
.<wbr>65081900</a><br>
<br>
I have a trial version of Visual Studio Enterprise installed on my new<br>
Windows 10 virtual machine that is valid until November 14. Ideally I&#39;d=
<br>
just be able to register that version and save myself the nuisance of<br>
uninstalling/reinstalling.<br>
<br>
Or maybe I don&#39;t want Visual Studio Enterprise and I want<br>
Express/Community/Professional instead..?<br>
<br>
I have an old code base (C# 2 I think) that I&#39;m planning to resurrect<b=
r>
for fun and profit and I need an IDE for it. My project is a web<br>
interface (implementing IHttpHandler and taking it from there, no real<br>
<a href=3D"http://ASP.NET" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ASP.NET</a>=
 integration) to Analysis Services cubes exposed by their<br>
XML/SOAP thingamajig...<br>
<br>
Love,<br>
DJ Mort.<br>
--<br>
E: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
P: <a href=3D"tel:%2B61%204%203505%207839" value=3D"+61435057839">&#43;61 4=
 3505 7839</a><br>
W: <a href=3D"https://www.jj5.net/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.jj5.net/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
------------------------------<wbr>------<br>
Posted by: John Elliot V &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>=
&gt;<br>
------------------------------<wbr>------<br>
<br>
<br>
------------------------------<wbr>------<br>
<br>
Yahoo Groups Links<br>
<br>
&lt;*&gt; To visit your group on the web, go to:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/win_tech_off_topic/"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/<wbr>wi=
n_tech_off_topic/</a><br>
<br>
&lt;*&gt; Your email settings:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Email | Traditional<br>
<br>
&lt;*&gt; To change settings online go to:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/win_tech_off_topic/j=
oin" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/<wb=
r>win_tech_off_topic/join</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (Yahoo! ID required)<br>
<br>
&lt;*&gt; To change settings via email:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic-digest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org">=
win_tech_off_topic-digest@<wbr>yahoogroups.com</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic-fullfeatured@yahoogroups=
.com">win_tech_off_topic-<wbr>[email protected]</a><br>
<br>
&lt;*&gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.=
com">win_tech_off_topic-<wbr>[email protected]</a><br>
<br>
&lt;*&gt; Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://info.yahoo.com/legal/<wbr>us/=
yahoo/utos/terms/</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
</p>

    </div>
=20=20=20=20=20

    <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
    <div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div>

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20
=20

=20=20=20=20
    <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div>

    <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 10px;">
        <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background=
-color:#E3E3E3;">
        Posted by: Brad Wilson &lt;[email protected]&gt;        <hr style=
=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;">
     </div>
    <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div>

    <table cellspacing=3D4px style=3D"margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px=
; color: #2D50FD;">
      <tbody>
        <tr>
          <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bo=
ld; padding: 7px 5px 5px;"  >
                          <a style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD=
" href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win_tech_off_topic/conversati=
ons/messages/60557;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJxcmpqODYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM3MDE1M=
jQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BG1zZ0lkAzYwNTU3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUD=
MTQ3MTcwODA1NQ--?act=3Dreply&messageNum=3D60557">Reply via web post</a>
                      </td>
          <td>&bull;</td>
          <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p=
x 5px;" >
            <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20%5BOT%5=
D%20Purchasing%20Visual%20Studio%20without%20MSDN" style=3D"text-decoration=
: none; color: #2D50FD;">
               Reply to sender            </a>
          </td>
          <td>&bull;</td>
          <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p=
x 5px;">
            <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3D=
Re%3A%20%5BOT%5D%20Purchasing%20Visual%20Studio%20without%20MSDN" style=3D"=
text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">
              Reply to group            </a>
          </td>
          <td>&bull;</td>
          <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p=
x 5px;" >
            <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win_tech_off_top=
ic/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlajU5MmhvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAz=
M3MDE1MjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MTcwO=
DA1NQ--" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic<=
/a>
          </td>
          <td>&bull;</td>
          <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p=
x 5px;color: #2D50FD;" >
                            <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/=
win_tech_off_topic/conversations/topics/60556;_ylc=3DX3oDMTM2dWRrM2IyBF9TAz=
k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM3MDE1MjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BG1zZ0lkAzYwNTU3BHNlY=
wNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MTcwODA1NQR0cGNJZAM2MDU1Ng--" style=3D"text-=
decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a>
                (2)
                      </td>
        </tr>
      </tbody>
    </table>

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div id=3D"megaphoneModule">
            <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgr=
ound-color:#E3E3E3;">
        <div>
	     <div class=3D"stream" style=3D"margin-bottom:10px;">
        <div style=3D"background-color:white;">
            <div class=3D"sn-img" style=3D"display:inline;"><img name=3D"tn=
_file" style=3D"padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;margin-top:5px;" src=3D=
"https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON"=
 height=3D"82" width=3D"82"></div>
            <div class=3D"mod-txt" style=3D"display:inline-block;">
                <a rel=3D"nofollow" name=3D"sub_url" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"https://yho.com/1wwmgg" style=3D"color:#0000FF;display:block;margin-lef=
t:5px;text-decoration:none;"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;">Have you tried=
 the highest rated email app?</span></a>
                <div style=3D"max-width:530px;padding:2px 5px;">With 4.5 st=
ars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the mar=
ket. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, =
Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000G=
B of free cloud storage.</div>
            </div>
        </div>
    </div>        </div>=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20
    <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-col=
or:#E3E3E3;">
</div>

<!------- Start Nav Bar ------>




=20

<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
<div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color: #f2f2f2; font-family: Ver=
dana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;">

    <span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transf=
orm: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win_tech_o=
ff_topic/info;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJla280NHZwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM3MDE1MjQEZ3=
Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MTcwODA1NQ--" sty=
le=3D"text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span>

     <ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: in=
line;">
                                                    </ul>
  </div>


<div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5p=
x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;">
  <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkanVjODQzBF9TAzk3ND=
c2NTkwBGdycElkAzM3MDE1MjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd=
GltZQMxNDcxNzA4MDU1" style=3D"float: left;"><img src=3D"http://l.yimg.com/r=
u/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png" height=3D"15"=
 width=3D"137" alt=3D"Yahoo! Groups" style=3D"border: 0;"/></a>
  <div style=3D"color: #747575; float: right;"> &bull; <a href=3D"https://i=
nfo.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html" style=3D"text-decoratio=
n: none;">Privacy</a> &bull; <a href=3D"mailto:win_tech_off_topic-unsubscri=
[email protected]?subject=3DUnsubscribe" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">=
Unsubscribe</a> &bull; <a href=3D"https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/uto=
s/terms/" style=3D"text-decoration: none;">Terms of Use</a> </div>
</div>
<br>

<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->

  </div> <!-- ygrp-msg -->

=20
  <!-- Sponsor -->
  <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
  <div id=3D"ygrp-sponsor" style=3D"width:160px; float:right; clear:none; m=
argin:0 0 25px 0; background: #fff;">

<!-- Start Recommendations -->
<div id=3D"ygrp-reco">
     </div>
<!-- End Recommendations -->



  </div>   <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->

  <div style=3D"clear:both; color: #FFF; font-size:1px;">.</div>
</div>

  <img src=3D"http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=3D97359714/grpId=3D3701524/grpspI=
d=3D1705006669/msgId=3D60557/stime=3D1471708055" width=3D"1" height=3D"1"> =
<br>

<img src=3D"http://y.analytics.yahoo.com/fpc.pl?ywarid=3D515FB27823A7407E&a=
=3D10001310322279&js=3Dno&resp=3Dimg&cf12=3DCP" width=3D"1" height=3D"1">=20

<div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__,_._,___</div>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~-->

</body>

<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
<head>
  <style type=3D"text/css">
  <!--
  #ygrp-mkp {
  border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
  font-family: Arial;
  margin: 10px 0;
  padding: 0 10px;
}

#ygrp-mkp hr {
  border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
}

#ygrp-mkp #hd {
  color: #628c2a;
  font-size: 85%;
  font-weight: 700;
  line-height: 122%;
  margin: 10px 0;
}

#ygrp-mkp #ads {
  margin-bottom: 10px;
}

#ygrp-mkp .ad {
  padding: 0 0;
}

#ygrp-mkp .ad p {
  margin: 0;
}

#ygrp-mkp .ad a {
  color: #0000ff;
  text-decoration: none;
}
  #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc {
  font-family: Arial;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd {
  margin: 10px 0px;
  font-weight: 700;
  font-size: 78%;
  line-height: 122%;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad {
  margin-bottom: 10px;
  padding: 0 0;
}

  #actions {
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-size: 11px;
    padding: 10px 0;
  }

  #activity {
    background-color: #e0ecee;
    float: left;
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-size: 10px;
    padding: 10px;
  }

  #activity span {
    font-weight: 700;
  }

  #activity span:first-child {
    text-transform: uppercase;
  }

  #activity span a {
    color: #5085b6;
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  #activity span span {
    color: #ff7900;
  }

  #activity span .underline {
    text-decoration: underline;
  }

  .attach {
    clear: both;
    display: table;
    font-family: Arial;
    font-size: 12px;
    padding: 10px 0;
    width: 400px;
  }

  .attach div a {
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  .attach img {
    border: none;
    padding-right: 5px;
  }

  .attach label {
    display: block;
    margin-bottom: 5px;
  }

  .attach label a {
    text-decoration: none;
  }
=20=20
  blockquote {
    margin: 0 0 0 4px;
  }

  .bold {
    font-family: Arial;
    font-size: 13px;
    font-weight: 700;
  }

  .bold a {
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  dd.last p a {
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-weight: 700;
  }

  dd.last p span {
    margin-right: 10px;
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-weight: 700;
  }

  dd.last p span.yshortcuts {
    margin-right: 0;
  }

  div.attach-table div div a {
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  div.attach-table {
    width: 400px;
  }

  div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.fi=
le-title a:visited {
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div=
.photo-title a:visited {
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts {
    font-family: Verdana;
    font-size: 10px;
    font-weight: normal;
  }

  .green {
    color: #628c2a;
  }

  .MsoNormal {
    margin: 0 0 0 0;
  }

  o {
    font-size: 0;
  }

  #photos div {
    float: left;
    width: 72px;
  }

  #photos div div {
    border: 1px solid #666666;
    height: 62px;
    overflow: hidden;
    width: 62px;
  }

  #photos div label {
    color: #666666;
    font-size: 10px;
    overflow: hidden;
    text-align: center;
    white-space: nowrap;
    width: 64px;
  }

  #reco-category {
    font-size: 77%;
  }

  #reco-desc {
    font-size: 77%;
  }

  .replbq {
    margin: 4px;
  }

  #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
   /* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
    margin-right: 2px;
    padding-right: 5px;
  }

  #ygrp-mlmsg {
    font-size: 13px;
    font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
    *font-size: small;
    *font: x-small;
  }

  #ygrp-mlmsg table {
    font-size: inherit;
    font: 100%;
  }

  #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {
    font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;
  }

  #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {
    font:115% monospace;
    *font-size:100%;
  }

  #ygrp-mlmsg * {
    line-height: 1.22em;
  }

  #ygrp-mlmsg #logo {
    padding-bottom: 10px;
  }


  #ygrp-msg p a {
    font-family: Verdana;
  }

  #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
    color: #1E66AE;
    font-weight: 700;
  }

  #ygrp-reco #reco-head {
    color: #ff7900;
    font-weight: 700;
  }

  #ygrp-reco {
    margin-bottom: 20px;
    padding: 0px;
  }

  #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a {
    font-size: 130%;
    text-decoration: none;
  }

  #ygrp-sponsor #ov li {
    font-size: 77%;
    list-style-type: square;
    padding: 6px 0;
  }=20

  #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {
    margin: 0;
    padding: 0 0 0 8px;
  }

  #ygrp-text {
    font-family: Georgia;
  }

  #ygrp-text p {
    margin: 0 0 1em 0;
  }

  #ygrp-text tt {
    font-size: 120%;
  }

  #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
    border-right: none !important;=20
  }=20
  -->
  </style>
</head>

<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~-->
</html>
<!-- end group email -->


--001a1147978ac27a30053a82bbb2--