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Maybe I should make myself clear here.  Generally not knowing the full details of any given statement, I am reading things my way, each of you read them yours.  

If I go to say REI, Sport Chalet, Bass Proshops or whatever and the backpack they are trying to sell me, unless it is serious multi-day trip pack, 75 liters and up, where you would have more weight, to simply make it comfortable you have to put 25 lbs in it, that is not a pack I want for short jaunts.   I also am making this assumption because in some stores there is limit knowledge in floor staff and a traditional mindset is still common.   

The way I am reading this comment is that the base weight or minimum weight for this pack to be comfortable is 25 lbs, now you add 35-40 pounds of food and water for a multi-day trip and there is no way I can see that as being comfortable.  

I am also not going to debate backpacking versus visiting..Vacation time, work and all of that factors into trip planning.  Some trips are longer, some are shorter.  

  Base weight i thought whether a trip was 1 night of 40 was, to be lightweight, was in the area of being  under 15-20 lbs...Hell, if someone wants a 5 lb backpack base weight to carry 40 lbs of steak, they are still operating in an ultralight method, my issue would be selling a pack out the door that to be comfortable has to be a minimum of 25 lbs.  For short trips, unless it is to the desert or peak bagging or winter trips, most people would never have 25 lbs even with food.



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-- In [email protected], Robin Joy <robinLjoy@...> wrote:
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> How long are your trips?
> From over 50 years of backpacking 30 lbs for 10 days of backpacking at 10,000 ft. Including food is not that big of a deal as the weight decreases each day.
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> On May 23, 2013, at 3:42 PM, "michaelegrosse" <michaelegrosse@...> wrote:
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> > If I had to put 30 lbs in a pack to make it work, that would be a pack that gets put back, quick fast and in a hurry. I don't even carry but 14-20 lbs total....lol
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> > micahel 
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> > --- In [email protected], "AlinaN" <alinan41@> wrote:
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> > > Thank you guys,
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> > > @Shari Which external frame pack are you using? I have not come across any such packs when doing my search. I think they are hard to find.
> > > @Eric I had the space before tightening the load lifters but I have learned some more since my last post about how the LL work. Kind of along the lines what you are describing. Thank you for all the good points.
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> > > It can be confusing at times. I did some more research on a pack fitting and I read this time that the shoulder strap does not need to wrap all the way around the shoulder up to the point where the strap attaches to the pack. Apparently the strap is supposed to touch you just for 1 ½  to 2" past the top of the shoulder. 
> > > I went to the store again last weekend and this time the owner was there and he suggested that I put a lot of weight (25 lbs of plates) inside the pack . It seemed to work. I had only some space on one side. I guess I am not balanced. Additionally he also said that when the pack is new the shoulder straps are stiff so they are going to be higher as well but with time they should mould better to the shoulders. I guess it is possible, isn't it?
> > > I uploaded 2 picks. The pack is 30lbs. I am not sure why the pictures are turned 90 degrees. Does anyone know how to fix it? The pictures were normal on my computer.
> > > I am looking forward to your comments.
> > > Thank you.
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