Re:

You are right. Hike your own hike.

But, if you only go to the big stores, that is all you will see. Limited 
help and limited options.

For under 20 lbs, I use a Granite Gear Virga. No frame, except for the 
sleeping pad as a tube to put everything into.
It weighs the same, close, as my Gossamer Gear G4, and that will carry a 
whole lot more.
For 40 or more, I really like the Granite Gear Nimbus Ozone. It is old, so 
changes have been made recently. I have had over 60 lbs when carrying 3 days 
water in Grand Canyon.

Oh, I am not an UL, I have a few comforts I like. But, this group has helped 
me reduce a lot of weight. Never will I be SUL.

Ken in NC

From: michaelegrosse
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [BackpackingLight]



Maybe I should make myself clear here. Generally not knowing the full 
details of any given statement, I am reading things my way, each of you read 
them yours.

If I go to say REI, Sport Chalet, Bass Proshops or whatever and the backpack 
they are trying to sell me, unless it is serious multi-day trip pack, 75 
liters and up, where you would have more weight, to simply make it 
comfortable you have to put 25 lbs in it, that is not a pack I want for 
short jaunts. I also am making this assumption because in some stores there 
is limit knowledge in floor staff and a traditional mindset is still common.

The way I am reading this comment is that the base weight or minimum weight 
for this pack to be comfortable is 25 lbs, now you add 35-40 pounds of food 
and water for a multi-day trip and there is no way I can see that as being 
comfortable.

I am also not going to debate backpacking versus visiting..Vacation time, 
work and all of that factors into trip planning. Some trips are longer, some 
are shorter.

Base weight i thought whether a trip was 1 night of 40 was, to be 
lightweight, was in the area of being under 15-20 lbs...Hell, if someone 
wants a 5 lb backpack base weight to carry 40 lbs of steak, they are still 
operating in an ultralight method, my issue would be selling a pack out the 
door that to be comfortable has to be a minimum of 25 lbs. For short trips, 
unless it is to the desert or peak bagging or winter trips, most people 
would never have 25 lbs even with food.