Re: [Ebbc-Talk] One-Way Streets: Do Humans Really Think?!

Kevin Dalley <[email protected]> Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:50:22 -0700
Newsgroups gmane.culture.bicycle.ebbc
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Legally, you are allowed to ride on left, but drivers may curse at you.


Mike Jones <[email protected]> wrote:

>At last night's Oakland BPAC meeting, the consensus was that a
>right-side
>bike lane, on a one-way street, does not preclude you from riding on
>the far
>left. RideOn.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Vandeman
>Sent: 18 October 2012 07:34
>To: Emily Thurston; [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Ebbc-Talk] One-Way Streets: Do Humans Really Think?!
>
>At 08:54 AM 10/15/2012, Emily Thurston wrote:
>>My experience with all the one way streets in downtown Portland, 
>>Oregon, is that they were GREAT for bicycles. They simplify traffic a 
>>great deal and make it easier for bicycles, which move slower and
>steer 
>>differently than the cars, to navigate intersections safely.
>>In particular, turning left off a busy street works much better.
>
>One-way streets probably increase the speed of motor vehicles, making
>them
>more dangerous for bicyclists. In general, it's vastly more pleasant to
>ride
>side streets where there's minimal traffic.
>
>>I lived in Portland, OR for 9 years as the bicycle traffic tripled
>from 
>>1% of transportation trips to 3% of transportation trips.
>>Bicycling has tripled again since I moved to the bay area. The one way
>
>>streets in and around Downtown remain.
>>
>>One added benefit of one-way streets is that it's easier to get the 
>>lights timed. In downtown Portland they were timed at 15 mph, which is
>
>>a great speed for cycling.
>
>There's no way to time lights to please everyone. Instead, we should
>program
>lights to respond, first of all, to the presence of bicyclists, buses,
>and
>emergency vehicles, and only respond to other vehicles when none of the
>former are present.
>
>But, as I said, side streets (preferably without lights) are far
>better. And
>the air is cleaner. And whenever you meet cross traffic, you can hop
>off and
>become a pedestrian, with the right of way.
>
>>On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:15:54 -0700
>> > From: Mike Vandeman <mjvande-yBeKhBN/[email protected]>
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>> > Subject: [Ebbc-Talk] One-Way Streets: Do Humans Really Think?!
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>> > It's really not rocket science. If there are no one-way streets,
>one 
>> > can always get where one wants to go via the shortest route, saving
>
>> > gas and reducing accidents and global warming (assuming that you
>are 
>> > one of those dinosaurs still using motor vehicles). Once you 
>> > introduce one-way streets, you will often have to drive farther
>than 
>> > the shortest route. For a simple example, say you are at one end of
>
>> > a one-way street and want to get to somewhere else on that street.
>> >
>> > While we are on the subject of traffic, have you noticed how many 
>> > residents have eliminated their off-street parking space, and
>forced 
>> > the city to provide them on-street parking at a ridiculously low 
>> > below-market price? On-street parking -- at least on arterials -- 
>> > should be eliminated. Instead, those lanes should be for the 
>> > exclusive use of bicyclists and emergency vehicles. That would 
>> > provide bicyclists a safe place to ride, and provide ambulances a 
>> > way to get through when the traffic lanes are full of cars.
>> >
>> > Then we could solve the homelessness problem by using the parking 
>> > lane on non-arterials for old cars that no longer run, to be used
>as 
>> > housing for the homeless. They could have a safe, dry place to
>sleep 
>> > and lock up their belongings.
>> >
>> > There! The world's major problems solved in only three paragraphs!
>> > Now get to work!
>>
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