Re: [Ebbc-Talk] One-Way Streets: Do Humans Really Think?!
Kevin Dalley <[email protected]> Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:50:22 -0700
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Legally, you are allowed to ride on left, but drivers may curse at you. Mike Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >At last night's Oakland BPAC meeting, the consensus was that a >right-side >bike lane, on a one-way street, does not preclude you from riding on >the far >left. RideOn. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Vandeman >Sent: 18 October 2012 07:34 >To: Emily Thurston; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Ebbc-Talk] One-Way Streets: Do Humans Really Think?! > >At 08:54 AM 10/15/2012, Emily Thurston wrote: >>My experience with all the one way streets in downtown Portland, >>Oregon, is that they were GREAT for bicycles. They simplify traffic a >>great deal and make it easier for bicycles, which move slower and >steer >>differently than the cars, to navigate intersections safely. >>In particular, turning left off a busy street works much better. > >One-way streets probably increase the speed of motor vehicles, making >them >more dangerous for bicyclists. In general, it's vastly more pleasant to >ride >side streets where there's minimal traffic. > >>I lived in Portland, OR for 9 years as the bicycle traffic tripled >from >>1% of transportation trips to 3% of transportation trips. >>Bicycling has tripled again since I moved to the bay area. The one way > >>streets in and around Downtown remain. >> >>One added benefit of one-way streets is that it's easier to get the >>lights timed. In downtown Portland they were timed at 15 mph, which is > >>a great speed for cycling. > >There's no way to time lights to please everyone. Instead, we should >program >lights to respond, first of all, to the presence of bicyclists, buses, >and >emergency vehicles, and only respond to other vehicles when none of the >former are present. > >But, as I said, side streets (preferably without lights) are far >better. And >the air is cleaner. And whenever you meet cross traffic, you can hop >off and >become a pedestrian, with the right of way. > >>On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:15:54 -0700 >> > From: Mike Vandeman <mjvande-yBeKhBN/[email protected]> >> > To: Recipient list suppressed:; >> > Subject: [Ebbc-Talk] One-Way Streets: Do Humans Really Think?! >> > Message-ID: <810347.49699.bm-lZTCTkxaLTf8AbloPCyspULUdxTIq2jXG6kzb5Gsg2M@public.gmane.org> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> > >> > It's really not rocket science. If there are no one-way streets, >one >> > can always get where one wants to go via the shortest route, saving > >> > gas and reducing accidents and global warming (assuming that you >are >> > one of those dinosaurs still using motor vehicles). Once you >> > introduce one-way streets, you will often have to drive farther >than >> > the shortest route. For a simple example, say you are at one end of > >> > a one-way street and want to get to somewhere else on that street. >> > >> > While we are on the subject of traffic, have you noticed how many >> > residents have eliminated their off-street parking space, and >forced >> > the city to provide them on-street parking at a ridiculously low >> > below-market price? On-street parking -- at least on arterials -- >> > should be eliminated. Instead, those lanes should be for the >> > exclusive use of bicyclists and emergency vehicles. That would >> > provide bicyclists a safe place to ride, and provide ambulances a >> > way to get through when the traffic lanes are full of cars. >> > >> > Then we could solve the homelessness problem by using the parking >> > lane on non-arterials for old cars that no longer run, to be used >as >> > housing for the homeless. They could have a safe, dry place to >sleep >> > and lock up their belongings. >> > >> > There! The world's major problems solved in only three paragraphs! >> > Now get to work! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ebbc-Talk mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://lists.ebbc.org/listinfo.cgi/ebbc-talk-ebbc.org > > >-- > >I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans >("pure habitat"). >Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence >and >road construction.) > >Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you >are >fond of! > >http://mjvande.nfshost.com > >_______________________________________________ >Ebbc-Talk mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.ebbc.org/listinfo.cgi/ebbc-talk-ebbc.org > >_______________________________________________ >Ebbc-Talk mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.ebbc.org/listinfo.cgi/ebbc-talk-ebbc.org _______________________________________________ Ebbc-Talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ebbc.org/listinfo.cgi/ebbc-talk-ebbc.org