Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Supportive of bikes: Double fare for bikes in peak hours.

I was on BART tonight, 10 cars, toward Pittsburg/Bay Point, at 21:50ish, 
and the train was very crowded, but people on board were very accepting 
of the large numbers of bikes that were sharing space.  I think it's 
just grumpy commuters who are the problem.

Err, how does a Translink card know that you have a bicycle, in order to 
"permit just two bike trips in peak hours per month."  And it's 
certainly possible to have more than one Clipper card.  I have 5 
Clipper/Translink cards.  Try to make practical proposals.
What we need are longer periods with headways of 15 minutes or less so 
there's more space.
73, doug



On 18-Oct-13 01:16, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> I'm sharing my feelings on the BART vote on bike access here:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm a cyclist, and frequent user of bikes on BART, including a bike with a
> trailer. Yet I'm not a supporter of all hours bike access.  There are a few
> consistently crowded morning and evening segments where bikes are taking
> valuable space that otherwise would carry 2 or 3 more passengers.
>
> I'm fully in support of lifting the Downtown Oakland bans on
> entering/exiting.
> And lifting the escalator restriction (provided the bike's brakes are
> engaged and the bike is not carried).
> And setting firm bike theft reduction targets for BART police.
> And expanding secure parking and bike stations.
> And making fare gates work better for cyclists (no closing doors on our
> rear wheels).
> And bike resting stands on station platforms.
> And bungee cords or hooks inside the trains.
> And rental bikes/bike share at all BART stations, especially the remote
> ones.
> And market rate parking fees.
> And more car sharing integrated with BART.
> And more functional connections between Amtrak and BART.
> And better land use planning & beneficial density near BART.
> And faster trains.
> And world peace.
> But lifting the peak hour peak train restriction... not so much.
>
> Perhaps a compromise would be acceptable. Bikes would be free during most
> hours. But those same peak hour station pairs would be double the fare, if
> you brought a bike. Double is not quite enough (as a standing bike on BART
> takes up more than twice the space of a person)... but it would send the
> right price signal.  The fare would send the message "if you can avoid
> these trains, please do so.  If you're stuck then we'll take you".
>
> Or maybe just maybe each Translink card would permit just two bike trips in
> peak hours per month *.
>
>        -Bryce Nesbitt
>
>
> * Until bike racks were installed, there was a somewhat similar policy at
> Emery Go Round:
> Only riders with flat tires or mechanical problems were invited to bring
> their bikes aboard.
> Normally bikes were not welcome.
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