Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Supportive of bikes: Double fare for bikes in peak hours.

It seems sooooo simple, maybe that's the problem.

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On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Phoenix <chongppr-/[email protected]> wrote:

> I also support dedicated bike cars but for some reason, BART thinks it
> will slow down the boarding & off loading time for pulling in and out of
> stations.  Doesn't seem to slow down the boarding process in Scandinavian
> countries.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:57, Nick Pilch <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm a long-time supporter of dedicated bike cars. Here's some links that
> I found quickly that along the lines of what I'm thinking. There is
> precedent here. As many know, Caltrain has dedicated bike cars.
> >
> >
> http://publicradiointernational.tumblr.com/post/23165068312/trains-in-copenhagen-have-dedicated-bicycle-cars
> > Caltrain: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/162483945/
> >
> > Further reading:
> >
> >
> http://www.ecf.com/wp-content/uploads/130418_Bike-carriage-on-long-distance-trains_Good-practice_Final-ECF-paper.pdf
> >
> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/pedbike/05085/chapt18.cfm
> >
> >> On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Richard Sheng <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> What we really need is one car in every 8-10 car train set up for bikes
> >> with flip down seats along the sides and extra straps.  You would limit
> >> bikes to this car and also give bikes priority in this car.
> >>
> >> *Richard*
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> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197 <
> >> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was on BART tonight, 10 cars, toward Pittsburg/Bay Point, at
> 21:50ish,
> >>> and the train was very crowded, but people on board were very
> accepting of
> >>> the large numbers of bikes that were sharing space.  I think it's just
> >>> grumpy commuters who are the problem.
> >>>
> >>> Err, how does a Translink card know that you have a bicycle, in order
> to
> >>> "permit just two bike trips in peak hours per month."  And it's
> certainly
> >>> possible to have more than one Clipper card.  I have 5
> Clipper/Translink
> >>> cards.  Try to make practical proposals.
> >>> What we need are longer periods with headways of 15 minutes or less so
> >>> there's more space.
> >>> 73, doug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 18-Oct-13 01:16, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sharing my feelings on the BART vote on bike access here:
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> >>>> ------------------------------**---------------------------
> >>>> I'm a cyclist, and frequent user of bikes on BART, including a bike
> with a
> >>>> trailer. Yet I'm not a supporter of all hours bike access.  There are
> a
> >>>> few
> >>>> consistently crowded morning and evening segments where bikes are
> taking
> >>>> valuable space that otherwise would carry 2 or 3 more passengers.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm fully in support of lifting the Downtown Oakland bans on
> >>>> entering/exiting.
> >>>> And lifting the escalator restriction (provided the bike's brakes are
> >>>> engaged and the bike is not carried).
> >>>> And setting firm bike theft reduction targets for BART police.
> >>>> And expanding secure parking and bike stations.
> >>>> And making fare gates work better for cyclists (no closing doors on
> our
> >>>> rear wheels).
> >>>> And bike resting stands on station platforms.
> >>>> And bungee cords or hooks inside the trains.
> >>>> And rental bikes/bike share at all BART stations, especially the
> remote
> >>>> ones.
> >>>> And market rate parking fees.
> >>>> And more car sharing integrated with BART.
> >>>> And more functional connections between Amtrak and BART.
> >>>> And better land use planning & beneficial density near BART.
> >>>> And faster trains.
> >>>> And world peace.
> >>>> But lifting the peak hour peak train restriction... not so much.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps a compromise would be acceptable. Bikes would be free during
> most
> >>>> hours. But those same peak hour station pairs would be double the
> fare, if
> >>>> you brought a bike. Double is not quite enough (as a standing bike on
> BART
> >>>> takes up more than twice the space of a person)... but it would send
> the
> >>>> right price signal.  The fare would send the message "if you can avoid
> >>>> these trains, please do so.  If you're stuck then we'll take you".
> >>>>
> >>>> Or maybe just maybe each Translink card would permit just two bike
> trips
> >>>> in
> >>>> peak hours per month *.
> >>>>
> >>>>      -Bryce Nesbitt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> * Until bike racks were installed, there was a somewhat similar
> policy at
> >>>> Emery Go Round:
> >>>> Only riders with flat tires or mechanical problems were invited to
> bring
> >>>> their bikes aboard.
> >>>> Normally bikes were not welcome.
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