Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Supportive of bikes: Double fare for bikes in peak hours.

I also support dedicated bike cars but for some reason, BART thinks it will slow down the boarding & off loading time for pulling in and out of stations.  Doesn't seem to slow down the boarding process in Scandinavian countries.

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> On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:57, Nick Pilch <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I'm a long-time supporter of dedicated bike cars. Here's some links that I found quickly that along the lines of what I'm thinking. There is precedent here. As many know, Caltrain has dedicated bike cars.
> 
> http://publicradiointernational.tumblr.com/post/23165068312/trains-in-copenhagen-have-dedicated-bicycle-cars
> Caltrain: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/162483945/
> 
> Further reading:
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> http://www.ecf.com/wp-content/uploads/130418_Bike-carriage-on-long-distance-trains_Good-practice_Final-ECF-paper.pdf
> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/pedbike/05085/chapt18.cfm
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Richard Sheng <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> What we really need is one car in every 8-10 car train set up for bikes
>> with flip down seats along the sides and extra straps.  You would limit
>> bikes to this car and also give bikes priority in this car.
>> 
>> *Richard*
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>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197 <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was on BART tonight, 10 cars, toward Pittsburg/Bay Point, at 21:50ish,
>>> and the train was very crowded, but people on board were very accepting of
>>> the large numbers of bikes that were sharing space.  I think it's just
>>> grumpy commuters who are the problem.
>>> 
>>> Err, how does a Translink card know that you have a bicycle, in order to
>>> "permit just two bike trips in peak hours per month."  And it's certainly
>>> possible to have more than one Clipper card.  I have 5 Clipper/Translink
>>> cards.  Try to make practical proposals.
>>> What we need are longer periods with headways of 15 minutes or less so
>>> there's more space.
>>> 73, doug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 18-Oct-13 01:16, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sharing my feelings on the BART vote on bike access here:
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>>> ------------------------------**---------------------------
>>>> I'm a cyclist, and frequent user of bikes on BART, including a bike with a
>>>> trailer. Yet I'm not a supporter of all hours bike access.  There are a
>>>> few
>>>> consistently crowded morning and evening segments where bikes are taking
>>>> valuable space that otherwise would carry 2 or 3 more passengers.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm fully in support of lifting the Downtown Oakland bans on
>>>> entering/exiting.
>>>> And lifting the escalator restriction (provided the bike's brakes are
>>>> engaged and the bike is not carried).
>>>> And setting firm bike theft reduction targets for BART police.
>>>> And expanding secure parking and bike stations.
>>>> And making fare gates work better for cyclists (no closing doors on our
>>>> rear wheels).
>>>> And bike resting stands on station platforms.
>>>> And bungee cords or hooks inside the trains.
>>>> And rental bikes/bike share at all BART stations, especially the remote
>>>> ones.
>>>> And market rate parking fees.
>>>> And more car sharing integrated with BART.
>>>> And more functional connections between Amtrak and BART.
>>>> And better land use planning & beneficial density near BART.
>>>> And faster trains.
>>>> And world peace.
>>>> But lifting the peak hour peak train restriction... not so much.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps a compromise would be acceptable. Bikes would be free during most
>>>> hours. But those same peak hour station pairs would be double the fare, if
>>>> you brought a bike. Double is not quite enough (as a standing bike on BART
>>>> takes up more than twice the space of a person)... but it would send the
>>>> right price signal.  The fare would send the message "if you can avoid
>>>> these trains, please do so.  If you're stuck then we'll take you".
>>>> 
>>>> Or maybe just maybe each Translink card would permit just two bike trips
>>>> in
>>>> peak hours per month *.
>>>> 
>>>>      -Bryce Nesbitt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> * Until bike racks were installed, there was a somewhat similar policy at
>>>> Emery Go Round:
>>>> Only riders with flat tires or mechanical problems were invited to bring
>>>> their bikes aboard.
>>>> Normally bikes were not welcome.
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