Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Supportive of bikes: Double fare for bikes in peak hours.

I'm a long-time supporter of dedicated bike cars. Here's some links that I found quickly that along the lines of what I'm thinking. There is precedent here. As many know, Caltrain has dedicated bike cars.

http://publicradiointernational.tumblr.com/post/23165068312/trains-in-copenhagen-have-dedicated-bicycle-cars
Caltrain: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/162483945/

Further reading:

http://www.ecf.com/wp-content/uploads/130418_Bike-carriage-on-long-distance-trains_Good-practice_Final-ECF-paper.pdf
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/pedbike/05085/chapt18.cfm

On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Richard Sheng <[email protected]> wrote:

> What we really need is one car in every 8-10 car train set up for bikes
> with flip down seats along the sides and extra straps.  You would limit
> bikes to this car and also give bikes priority in this car.
> 
> *Richard*
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> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197 <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I was on BART tonight, 10 cars, toward Pittsburg/Bay Point, at 21:50ish,
>> and the train was very crowded, but people on board were very accepting of
>> the large numbers of bikes that were sharing space.  I think it's just
>> grumpy commuters who are the problem.
>> 
>> Err, how does a Translink card know that you have a bicycle, in order to
>> "permit just two bike trips in peak hours per month."  And it's certainly
>> possible to have more than one Clipper card.  I have 5 Clipper/Translink
>> cards.  Try to make practical proposals.
>> What we need are longer periods with headways of 15 minutes or less so
>> there's more space.
>> 73, doug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 18-Oct-13 01:16, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sharing my feelings on the BART vote on bike access here:
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>> ------------------------------**---------------------------
>>> I'm a cyclist, and frequent user of bikes on BART, including a bike with a
>>> trailer. Yet I'm not a supporter of all hours bike access.  There are a
>>> few
>>> consistently crowded morning and evening segments where bikes are taking
>>> valuable space that otherwise would carry 2 or 3 more passengers.
>>> 
>>> I'm fully in support of lifting the Downtown Oakland bans on
>>> entering/exiting.
>>> And lifting the escalator restriction (provided the bike's brakes are
>>> engaged and the bike is not carried).
>>> And setting firm bike theft reduction targets for BART police.
>>> And expanding secure parking and bike stations.
>>> And making fare gates work better for cyclists (no closing doors on our
>>> rear wheels).
>>> And bike resting stands on station platforms.
>>> And bungee cords or hooks inside the trains.
>>> And rental bikes/bike share at all BART stations, especially the remote
>>> ones.
>>> And market rate parking fees.
>>> And more car sharing integrated with BART.
>>> And more functional connections between Amtrak and BART.
>>> And better land use planning & beneficial density near BART.
>>> And faster trains.
>>> And world peace.
>>> But lifting the peak hour peak train restriction... not so much.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps a compromise would be acceptable. Bikes would be free during most
>>> hours. But those same peak hour station pairs would be double the fare, if
>>> you brought a bike. Double is not quite enough (as a standing bike on BART
>>> takes up more than twice the space of a person)... but it would send the
>>> right price signal.  The fare would send the message "if you can avoid
>>> these trains, please do so.  If you're stuck then we'll take you".
>>> 
>>> Or maybe just maybe each Translink card would permit just two bike trips
>>> in
>>> peak hours per month *.
>>> 
>>>       -Bryce Nesbitt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * Until bike racks were installed, there was a somewhat similar policy at
>>> Emery Go Round:
>>> Only riders with flat tires or mechanical problems were invited to bring
>>> their bikes aboard.
>>> Normally bikes were not welcome.
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