Re: Familiarity and change

thanks...

On Jan 18, 2005, at 3:32 PM, James Bach wrote:

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> Hi Keith,
>
> As an NF who studies and teaches logic, and who does logic puzzles for 
> fun,
> I want to suggest a clarification: F's don't reject logic, we just 
> reason
> from different premises. I declare myself an F because I know the 
> premises
> that drive my decisions always come back to the feelings that people 
> have
> (my own feelings, for instance). T's may choose to reason from other
> premises, and those perhaps do not involve feelings (at least not in 
> such a
> way that T's prefer to admit).
>
> -- James
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Keith Ray [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:34 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [resistance] Familiarity and change
>>
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>>>  It turns out that all the influence you try to make on them is
>>> heavily topped by the influence of their peers. Simply -
>> kids do like
>>> other kids do, most of the time. They especially tend to
>> copy the ones
>>> that are regarded as
>>> cool (whatever "cool" is at some point in their childhood).
>> ...
>>> I also started observing and noticing this. In my programming life
>>> I've seen
>>> people that initially wrote pretty decent code start
>> "melting into the
>>> environment" when thrown into some ugly legacy app - The Pickle Jar
>>> Syndrome
>>> (I first found this name in Pragmatic Programmers book, and
>> later on
>>> I've
>>> found this in some G. Weinberg book I believe).
>>
>> I helped my coworker do an Myers-Briggs on-line test today
>> (English is
>> not his native language)... he's an "E", which I've always known, and
>> turns out to be "ENFJ". We get along very well, but I'm an
>> INTJ - logic
>> is king, and I don't follow the crowd; while he has a lot of
>> scientific
>> training, he feels that scientific method and logic are not that
>> important: this is why my logical arguments have failed to
>> persuade him
>> to do various XP practices (like TDD) in a non-XP project. He did do
>> them in an XP project, but he would rather conform to the overall
>> company culture when not in an XP project.
>>
>> --
>> C. Keith Ray
>> <http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/blog/index.html>
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>> <http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/resume2.html>
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