Re: My visit to Campione d'Italia

If you will go to http://campione.enclaves.org/ and view the second page 
of the "Elfer Anstand" of the 1861 treaty that delimits the boundary, 
you will find in the very center of that page:

    Die Richtung von Nr. 13 zu Nr. 14 auf weitere
    sieben Meter über Nr. 14 hinaus verfolgend,
    kommt man zum Tobel genannt Valle della
    Punta, und bei diesem hört die Grenze der
    Gemeinde Arogno auf und bginnt diejenige
    der schweizerischen Gemeinde Bisssone.

    Von besagtem Punkte an bezeichnet das Tobel
    selbst auf eine Länge von 610 Meter, seinen
    Krümmungen nach gemessen, die Grenze bis
    zu seiner Kreuzung durch die Fahrstrasse
    zwischen Campione und Bissone, wo eine
    kleine Kapelle steht.

To me, this seems to say that CHIT runs, on the same bearing as between 
rocks 13 and 14, seven meters onward past rock 14 , then comes to the 
Tobel Valle della Punta, where Arogno stops and Bissone begins.  From 
there, it runs down the Tobel for 610 meters until it crosses the 
Campione-Bissone road where a small chapel stands.

We thought that rock 14 was the southeast corner of Campione, but the 
treaty says different.  This explains the curious markings on its top. 
The dimple is on the long leg of the L, not at its corner.  This 
indicates that the boundary runs on a ways before making the turn, just 
as the treaty says.  So, the municipal rock in the background of the 
photo seems to be the actual tripoint and the corner of Campione!

If you will look at the map at the enlarged black-and-white map at 
http://campione.enclaves.org/ , you will see that the boundary does 
indeed follow the valley, which the map calls "Posero," down from 14 to 
the road crossing at 15.

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia


> in fact
> & in all fairness to craig of mississauga
> & with extra honors to lowell of leesville too for not
> overplaying this point
> it was already clear from craigs report that he had
> indeed paid a call on this very arogno bissone
> campione or arbica trimunicipal point in the course of
> his hair raising ramble
> by simply visiting the southeast corner of campione
> along the way
> for he says
>> I continued along the road until it ended in a small
> park. From here
>> it was a very short walk to find the sign and
> boundary stone in
>> Campione d'Italia's southeast corner, and there was
> an "L" marked in
>> the top of the stone to indicate where the corner
> stood.
> so perhaps we can still look forward to his posting an
> updated photo of this corner marker rock number 14
> tho in fairness also to mats of lund
> it would be extremely hard to improve in any way on
> his earlier photo
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/124-2463_img.jpg
> even tho a slight question remains about the exact
> arbica tripoint location within it
>
> for is the tripoint simply centered in the top center
> hole of the marker as i would guess
> or could it be at the outer bend of the ell shaped
> turnpoint diagram
> or midway between the outer & inner corners of this
> thick line
> or at the inner corner point of it
> or even somewhere else entirely among these perhaps as
> many of 4 different markers
> http://campione.enclaves.org/image/124-2462_img.jpg
> & thus not on this ell diagram nor even on this ell
> marker at all
>
> --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak-/[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> sharp shooting maestro
>> for thats the international quaternary tripoint of
>> chit2lmti3colg4arbica youve found there
>> thus obviating any need to find a more obscure
>> quintenary one within the campione city
>> administration
>>
>> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike D. wrote:
>> >
>> > > campione doesnt appear to have any major
>> tripoints
>> > > as it is situated entirely within the lugano
>> > district
>> > > of the ticino canton of switzerland
>> >
>> > It does have at least one minor tripoint, however.
>>
>> > On the page at
>> > http://campione.enclaves.org/ , please see the
>> left
>> > photo under "Marker
>> > 14," which is the southeast corner of Campione.
>> In
>> > addition to the CHIT
>> > monument at the base of the red signpost, there is
>> a
>> > smaller rock
>> > marking the bounds of the Swiss municipalities of
>> > Arogno and Bissone.
>> >
>> > Lowell G. McManus
>> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
>
>
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