You guys are awesome
"cybrmarc2001" <[email protected]> Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:56:00 -0000
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Wow, it felt really good to get that all put into words after it had been floating around, disconnected, in my head for so long. And it feels even better having all four of you respond! George, I live in southern New Hampshire. I grew up (1-13 years old) in the next town over called Dover, before I moved to Connecticut for 3 years because of my dad's promotion. When we moved back (when I was 15/16) we moved into the town of Durham (20,000 not including the huge faculty/student body of UNH) because Dover didn't have houses nice enough for my parents' taste. Colin, yes I think you're right. We might have met in our dream, or, as you say, we will meet someday to seek out our dreams. Reading through your e-mail and experienceart.org I feel as if we had some of the same begginings. The girl, Jeanette, whom I wrote my love-manifesto thing to - I'd always been satisfied with our relationship except for when I stepped *outside* of my own perspective. I would then see how silly it was to love a girl and not be "going out" with her, nor with the near possibility of intimacy. And as far as my use of pot and alcohol went (and some other stuff, unfortunately) I tried those for the same reason I tried "getting" Jeanette. I saw my abstinence from them from the perspective of the people around me, and then though, 'Well that's mighty silly and self-important of me to swear these things off.' All the while I'd had the mindset that people who did these things just did them to be cool, and that I was different for my genuity. But I think it actually turned out that I was really insecure, and when given the chance I ended up trying to posture in just the way I saw everyone else posturing. But, one thing that makes me happy from my return from my journey (the journey of insecure nerdy kid -> overconfident druggy -> insecure druggy -> secure "nerd" [now I know that labels are for that other-perspective]) is that, and this may sound conceited, people so alien to their true selves do have a chance. I mean, somewhere during that time when I was feeling ashamed and hadn't yet "cashed in" on the indulgences of such a shallow lifestyle (that were waiting in the wings for the moment I lost my uneasiness) there must have been a series, or cycle, or growing wave of defining events - events that showed me that where I was wasn't where I wanted to be. Sandrine, as you said, no, I don't know myself. But I am hopeful, not complacently so, but because I can feel progress - although it hasn't materialized externally quite yet. This identity crisis of mine loomed over a large part of my recent past (and I am, after all, only 19) but I can feel that I have clearly fallen out of that crisis, and am now seeping into my real self. I'm finding the paths that seem right in sinking in. I know, I know, I like metaphors way too much. As for the possibilities of making external accomplishments, Colin, you're being group is pretty fascinating. I first came upon the idea of the Extazeum (or Lyceum, because I hadn't gotten that far into it) I was asking myself what kind of tribal business I would like to run, what was something that I yearn to do and can share with others? I saw it as more of a town-meeting type institution, with members paying a weekly dues for the upkeep of the hall. Never did I consider the possibility of implementing it as a college club. And my main problem was always how to advertise the Extazeum. Personal ads! I never would have thought of that! I'm reading over the chronology of the being group, and it's pretty interesting, I think I might be giving it a shot soon, maybe not this semester, but soon. I'd like to have the chance to chat, like someone mentioned, maybe you guys could all attend the Belize EcoVillage chat on Friday at 8pm? Or we could use plain old Instant Messenger, it has a chat function too. My screen-name is "cybrmarc". One thing sort of bothers me about what you said, but I'm not sure if I should worry so much about it: "one thing I did find was that after a while I didn't want to talk with others or learn who they were as much as I used to." Reading through your journal it looks like getting people to talk about themselves/their thoughts was a really big urge to you. When you say "as much as I used to," do you mean that you just don't strive for it so utterly, or do you mean that you aren't really passionate about such a thing anymore? I think I sort of answered my own question...but anyways. I also understand when you say we should each be looking for an environment that is best-suited to our needs. My Extazeum idea was somewhat overly altruistic. I felt like I needed to get the whole town involved, when doing so, or attempting to, would probably spoil the atmosphere needed for the type of discussion I want. I've started reading Cultural Creators, and thinking about the renaissance you've mentioned - I think that it takes people acting on their changed minds (making EcoVillages, starting Extazeums/Lyceums) to affect the rennaisance we want/need. Using our creations to change minds shouldn't be a conscious action, these institutions would introduce our ideals to the world in a serious context: "Deep in American life lies a dormant soul, almost obliterated by politicians and the media that consider it too lowly and weak for serious attention." That's what I often strived to do with my Extazeum, only in my head. I wanted to shift Americans from watching TV and considering "Johnny finding himself" (or any moral/introspective story) as foreplay to "Johnny taking out the enemy camp with C-4" and "Johnny getting the busty blonde." Like I've read somewhere, people don't feel safe voluntarily abandoning their way-of-life/mindset unless they have something to switch to. That is especially true in the general sense of our culture because "what's right," (not just one "right way," as we know isn't true) is almost defined negatively, as in, what's not happening right now. My case was pretty extreme because the way I was living was so out-of-line with the ideals I'd held up until I was 16. So my "alternative" was really my former self, and allowing it to grow rather than exterminating the last obstructive remnants of it. But I'm sure there is some way that we can extrapolate from experiences like these to understand why I did come around. The religious girl I talked to on the phone told me that "God works in mysterious ways," and that he "doesn't let us stray too far from our paths". I can see the figurative truth in those statements, but I don't think would've been any help at all (in fact, it definitely would've pushed me away) were it said to the person I was 4 months ago. I feel like I need to find the patterns... I can't quite express it yet myself, so here's a quote from a book by a witch Starhawk called Dreaming in the Dark: "If we speak to each other as equals, not about abstract theories but about the concrete realities of our experience, we will see the common forces that have shaped our lives." and in turn... "the microcosm is shaped by the same forces that shape the macrocosm" Which means that once we figure out what has shaped us, we have figured out what has shaped the culture that surrounds us. I'm starting to ramble a little, I think, so I'll wrap it up with one last item of interest (see - that really sounds dry). Cal, the fact that you're just up and starting a Lyceum really excites me. Please tell me more. And the "cooperative learning" aspect of it sounds like a really good idea. In my opinion, the kids should not only summarize the books, but they should do something that you can never get a child do *honestly* do in school - say how it affected them. Where are you located? In fact, where are all of you located? So long for now, -Marcus