Re: Digital Whisper issue #1
Budilovsky Evgeny <[email protected]> Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:21:19 +0200
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--0015175dda9a50fda6047535db7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Guys, I think we should take the phrack <http://www.phrack.org/> approach and publish our issues in plain text. Images can be replaced by ascii-art or in special cases encoded in base64 and embedded in the text. This will probably solve the formats wars since no one can argue that simple ascii text is not supported by it's system. P.S. Thanks for the great issue. In case you stick with the pdf format is it possible to make links click-able from the pdf this will save the copy-paste from the foxit reader to the firefox. Best regards, Evgeny On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Shlomi Fish <shlomif-ik1l9ssToec+JF/[email protected]> wrote: > On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 13:09:51 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > 1. Why are the articles in PDF format? PDF suffers from poor > > > accessibility, inconvenience, low ability to be hacked and re-used, and > > > other problems. I don't have a PDF viewer configured in my browser, and > > > when clicking on the link, one of them was downloaded to my hard-disk, > > > and I am too inconvenienced to open it using a PDF viewer. > > > > I actually think that PDF is great. It is freely available, preserves > > formatting across OS / applications, and is contained in a single file > > ([X]HTML is not). > > The latter can be solved using solutions such as .zip or tar.gz or a CHM : > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help > > Also, you can always put the HTML you want under a certain path on the > server > and use mirroring tools. So it's a solved problem. > > > Is is searchable and the text is extractable. > > It is not as searchable as HTML or XML is, and the text is not easily > extractable if there is fancy formatting or layout. And not all FOSS PDF > viewers have adequate mechanisms for it. > > > Is is > > also accessible to the disabled, though Linux support for that feature > > may be missing (a problem with Linux applications, not with PDF > > itself). > > It's much less accessible to the disabled than XHTML is. > > > There are RTL issues with PDF though. > > > > Big RTL issues. > > Nevertheless, by using DocBook/XML and other tools one can easily generate > both XHTML and PDF output. And you can convert XHTML to PDF too using the > print-to-file function of the browsers. > > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish > > > >> If anyone is willing to contribute, submit an article or give a > > >> feedback, contact Digital Whisper crew here - > > >> [email protected] > > > > When I get around to it! > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ > Parody on "The Fountainhead" - http://shlom.in/towtf > > Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > --0015175dda9a50fda6047535db7b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #ffffff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; f= loat:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > <p><div dir=3D"ltr">Guys,<br>I think we should take the <= a href=3D"http://www.phrack.org/">phrack</a> approach and publish our issue= s in plain text. Images can be replaced by ascii-art or in special cases en= coded in base64 and embedded in the text. This will probably solve the form= ats wars since no one can argue that simple ascii text is not supported by = it's system.<br> <br>P.S. <br>Thanks for the great issue. In case you stick with the pdf for= mat is it possible to make links click-able from the pdf this will save the= copy-paste from the foxit reader to the firefox.<br><br>Best regards,<br> Evgeny<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Sh= lomi Fish <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:shlomif-ik1l9ssToec+JF/[email protected]">shlo= mif@iglu.<wbr>org.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu= ote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);"> <div class=3D"im">On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 13:09:51 Dotan Cohen wrote:<br> > > 1. Why are the articles in PDF format? PDF suffers from poor<br> > > accessibility, inconvenience, low ability to be hacked and re-use= d, and<br> > > other problems. I don't have a PDF viewer configured in my br= owser, and<br> > > when clicking on the link, one of them was downloaded to my hard-= disk,<br> > > and I am too inconvenienced to open it using a PDF viewer.<br> ><br> > I actually think that PDF is great. It is freely available, preserves<= br> > formatting across OS / applications, and is contained in a single file= <br> > ([X]HTML is not).<br> <br> </div>The latter can be solved using solutions such as .zip or tar.gz or a = CHM :<br> <br> <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Microsoft_<wbr>Compiled= _<wbr>HTML_Help</a><br> <br> Also, you can always put the HTML you want under a certain path on the serv= er<br> and use mirroring tools. So it's a solved problem.<br> <div class=3D"im"><br> > Is is searchable and the text is extractable.<br> <br> </div>It is not as searchable as HTML or XML is, and the text is not easily= <br> extractable if there is fancy formatting or layout. And not all FOSS PDF<br= > viewers have adequate mechanisms for it.<br> <div class=3D"im"><br> > Is is<br> > also accessible to the disabled, though Linux support for that feature= <br> > may be missing (a problem with Linux applications, not with PDF<br> > itself).<br> <br> </div>It's much less accessible to the disabled than XHTML is.<br> <div class=3D"im"><br> > There are RTL issues with PDF though.<br> ><br> <br> </div>Big RTL issues.<br> <br> Nevertheless, by using DocBook/XML and other tools one can easily generate<= br> both XHTML and PDF output. And you can convert XHTML to PDF too using the<b= r> print-to-file function of the browsers.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Shlomi Fish<br> <div class=3D"im"><br> > >> If anyone is willing to contribute, submit an article or give= a<br> > >> feedback, contact Digital Whisper crew here -<br> > >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">editor@digital= whisp<wbr>er.co.il</a><br> ><br> > When I get around to it!<br> ><br> <br> --<br> </div><div class=3D"im">------------<wbr>---------<wbr>---------<wbr>------= ---<wbr>---------<wbr>---------<wbr>--------<br> Shlomi Fish =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://www.shlomifish.org/" target=3D"_b= lank">http://www.shlomifi<wbr>sh.org/</a><br> </div>Parody on "The Fountainhead" - <a href=3D"http://shlom.in/t= owtf" target=3D"_blank">http://shlom.<wbr>in/towtf</a><br> <div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br> Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. 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