Re: Digital Whisper issue #1
Micha Feigin <michf-+lLcF8/[email protected]> Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:47:27 +0200
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--1TIXc5un-hrFQQtW6eX85YaFPGqoGwWR5-9bjXb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:47:06 +0200 Shlomi Fish <shlomif-ik1l9ssToec+JF/[email protected]> wrote: > On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 09:42:06 Omer Zak wrote: > > In my opinion, PDF format is a fine choice, and I'd advise it to be > > first choice for fully sighted people. > > Why? Show me your reasons! In the previous message, I've given several reasons > for its problematic nature: > > <<<<<<<<<<<<< > 1. Why are the articles in PDF format? PDF suffers from poor accessibility, > inconvenience, low ability to be hacked and re-used, and other problems. > I don't have a PDF viewer configured in my browser, and when clicking on the > link, one of them was downloaded to my hard-disk, and I am too inconvenienced > to open it using a PDF viewer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please offer a rebuttal for them. > With PDF you assure format and don't have math and font issues With a PDF version I can more easily archive the article and print it You can always use open with instead of save to open the article in a pdf viewer > > For people with special needs, do provide also a HTML/XHTML version, as > > suggested by Shlomi. > > I am not sight-impaired but I also prefer HTML/XHTML due to the advantages > above. A PDF version unnecessarily inconveniences me. Personally for light reading I like html for serious papers pdf is much better. > > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish > > > > > --- Omer > > > > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 20:02 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 18:09:30 Moshe Ben Abu wrote: > > > > Thanks for the feedback, I've sent it to the authors. > > > > What kind of format you suggest the magazine should be..? > > > > > > HTML or XHTML preferably. Possibly with some help from CSS, MathML, SVG, > > > PNG, etc. > > > > > > Note that you can create the magazine in various formats (including XHTML > > > , PDF and even MS Word) using such technologies as: > > > > > > http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/web/choice-of-docs-formats > > >/ > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shlomi Fish > > > --1TIXc5un-hrFQQtW6eX85YaFPGqoGwWR5-9bjXb Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:47:06 +0200<br> Shlomi Fish <<a href="mailto:shlomif%40iglu.org.il">shlomif@iglu.<wbr>org.il</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 09:42:06 Omer Zak wrote:<br> > > In my opinion, PDF format is a fine choice, and I'd advise it to be<br> > > first choice for fully sighted people.<br> > <br> > Why? Show me your reasons! In the previous message, I've given several reasons <br> > for its problematic nature:<br> > <br> <br> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<wbr><<br> > 1. Why are the articles in PDF format? PDF suffers from poor accessibility, <br> > inconvenience, low ability to be hacked and re-used, and other problems.<br> > I don't have a PDF viewer configured in my browser, and when clicking on the <br> > link, one of them was downloaded to my hard-disk, and I am too inconvenienced <br> > to open it using a PDF viewer.<br> > >>>>>>>>>>>><wbr>><br> > <br> > Please offer a rebuttal for them.<br> ><br> <br> With PDF you assure format and don't have math and font issues<br> <br> With a PDF version I can more easily archive the article and print it<br> <br> You can always use open with instead of save to open the article in a pdf viewer<br> <br> > > For people with special needs, do provide also a HTML/XHTML version, as<br> > > suggested by Shlomi.<br> > <br> > I am not sight-impaired but I also prefer HTML/XHTML due to the advantages <br> > above. A PDF version unnecessarily inconveniences me.<br> <br> Personally for light reading I like html for serious papers pdf is much better.<br> <br> > <br> > Regards,<br> > <br> > Shlomi Fish<br> > <br> > > <br> > > --- Omer<br> > > <br> > > On Sat, 2009-10-03 at 20:02 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:<br> > > > On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 18:09:30 Moshe Ben Abu wrote:<br> > > > > Thanks for the feedback, I've sent it to the authors.<br> > > > > What kind of format you suggest the magazine should be..?<br> > > ><br> > > > HTML or XHTML preferably. Possibly with some help from CSS, MathML, SVG,<br> > > > PNG, etc.<br> > > ><br> > > > Note that you can create the magazine in various formats (including XHTML<br> > > > , PDF and even MS Word) using such technologies as:<br> > > ><br> > > > <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/web/choice-of-docs-formats">http://www.shlomifi<wbr>sh.org/philosoph<wbr>y/computers/<wbr>web/choice-<wbr>of-docs-formats</a><br> > > >/<br> > > ><br> > > > Regards,<br> > > ><br> > > > Shlomi Fish<br> > > <br> > <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div width="1" style="color: white; clear: both;">__._,_.___</div> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar" style="clear: both; margini-bottom: 25px; white-space:nowrap; color: #666; text-align: right;"> <span class="left" style="float: left; white-space:nowrap;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/message/5077;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YWx2bmt2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BG1zZ0lkAzUwODcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjU0ODY5ODkwBHRwY0lkAzUwNzc-"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld" style="font-weight:bold;">11</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwNHBrbzhiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BG1zZ0lkAzUwODcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjU0ODY5ODkw?act=reply&messageNum=5087"> <span class="bld" style="font-weight:bold;"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcGRmbTg4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI1NDg2OTg5MA--" class="bld" style="font-weight:bold;"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav" style="padding-top: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 77%; margin: 0;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJldGM1NHNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTI1NDg2OTg5MA--">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZjBna2kzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVzBHN0aW1lAzEyNTQ4Njk4OTA-">Files</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlamZvc2duBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3QEc3RpbWUDMTI1NDg2OTg5MA--">Photos</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNm5waGpvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtzBHN0aW1lAzEyNTQ4Njk4OTA-">Links</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZThxZWY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiBHN0aW1lAzEyNTQ4Njk4OTA-">Database</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdWFtZjBuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzEyNTQ4Njk4OTA-">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcTFjZmhsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2NhbARzdGltZQMxMjU0ODY5ODkw">Calendar</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-grfd" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 77%; padding: 15px 0;"> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft" style="font-family: verdana; font-size: 77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; padding: 5px 0;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZjdwczdxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4NTczMzIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjU0ODY5ODkw"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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