Re: beyondhom thoughts besides Ars?
"Shannon Nelson [email protected] [beyondhomeopathy]" <[email protected]> Wed, 21 May 2014 22:16:32 -0500
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--Apple-Mail=_2FD59C44-D4A8-4D85-BF10-FD1737C1E197 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks Ellen, very nice!=20=20 Interestingly, when I considered this case, although Ars was the first that= came to my mind -- and I really wanted to give it! -- in the end I became = more seduced by Carcinosin instead, but it did not act, so now I'll go back= to Ars. Your notes and Irene's give me even more confidence that this is = what he needs. Now if his mom would just go ahead and get it=85 Shannon On May 21, 2014, at 5:40 PM, "Ellen Madono [email protected] [beyondho= meopathy]" <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Dear Shannon, >=20 > I thought he is like my son.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Mind; anxiety; health, about: > absin acet-ac ACON adam aeth AGAR AGN aloe alum alum-p alum-sil am-c AML-= N androc ant-t aran-ix ARG ARG-N arist-cl arn ARS ars-h astac aur-m aur-m-n= aur-s bar-c bell blatta bor bov brom BRY bufo CALAD CALC calc-ar calc-f CA= LC-P calc-s calc-sil calop-s cand-a cann-i canth caras carb-v CARC caust ch= el CHIN-AR choc cinis-p clad-r COCC cop corv-c cub culx-p cupr cygn-c der e= lectr epip euph fic-sp FL-AC galeoc-c germ gink glon grat haliae-lc HEP her= p-s hist hyos IGN KALI-AR KALI-BR kali-c kali-m kali-p kali-sil kreos lac-c= lac-eq lac-lup LACH lamp-c lat-h LIL-T LOB LYC m-arct mag-m MED merc meteo= -a micro-a morg musc-d NAT-C nat-glt nat-m nat-p NIT-AC nux-m NUX-V onc-t o= ro-ac ozon parth perl PH-AC PHEL phlor PHOS plac plut-n podo POSIT psor PUL= S ruta sabad scut sel SEP sil sop-m spect spong staph sulph SYPH tarent tax= tela uran-n >=20 > Mind; abstraction of mind: > acon acon-l agath-a agn alco ALUM am-c aml-n ang anh arbu-m ARN aur-m-n b= ell berb biti-a bov bufo calop-s calx-b camph CANN-I caps carb-ac carc caus= t cer cer-c cer-o CHAM chlam-t choc cic colch con cortico CROC cupr cycl dy= s-co elaps euphr falco-p GRAPH guai haliae-lc HELL herin holm holm-c holm-m= holm-n holm-o hydrog HYOS hyper ictod interf irid kali-c KREOS latex laur = lava-f lsd LYC lyss mag-c mang MERC MEZ mobil-ph nat-c NAT-M nelu NUX-M nux= -v OENA OL-AN olnd ONOS op ozon ph-ac PHOS plat plb plut-n psil-c ran-b sab= ad salx-f sars sec sil sile-c spong stann stram sul-ac SULPH thuj TUB verb = vesp VISC >=20 >=20 > Mind; order, desire for: > anac arg ARS bos-s calc calc-i calop-s carb-v carc carn-g cath-a cer-c ch= ir-f culx-p enal-c ephe-v fic-m fic-sp hema-h herin hydr-ac kali-c lac-eq l= amp-c lant-p lsd marm-a nitro nux-v plac plut-n salx-f sep sulph tax tour-w= ulm-c uran vani-p >=20 >=20 >=20 > Unknown hyper small remedies come after. Calop-s and plutonium. Probabl= y have no physicals in these new provings. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Using facial analysis and classical analysis, I got the Ars answer for my= son. I doubt that I used the same rubrics as above. The above were selec= ted with a bit more distance. The mess is because he is not focused on the= concrete. Can't multitask. Wants the parents to even pretend that they w= ere orderly (normal married couple).=20=20 >=20 > Carc. comes before Ars because of alphabetical order. And it is a small = remedy. So, I would consider it if Ars does not work. Both are brown acc= ording to HFA. >=20 > Ars. made a big difference for my son. He was having rage because others= were not following his hyper-ordered (in the abstract) expectations. He w= as about to have a rage fit at the customs official. That's when I noticed= . The official was making a decision that did not make "sense."=20 > My son is a math wiz. Words are not forthcoming. He comes from a long l= ine of these types who get diabetes and cancer as they age. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best. >=20 > Ellen >=20 >=20 > Ellen Madono >=20 >=20 > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Shannon Nelson [email protected] [be= yondhomeopathy] <[email protected]> wrote: >=20=20 > Thanks, Irene!=20=20 >=20 > Some more questions:=20=20 >=20 > - The ones you have mentioned are mineral or plant or (only one?) animal= . Have you identified an ICT for any of the nosodes, e.g. Med, Psor, Syph,= Carc, Tub? Or other infective agents?=20=20 >=20 > - What does this phrase mean? "inherited traits plus the matched remedy= added ones." What are matched remedy added traits? >=20 > - I know you have explained this in the past, but for my imperfect memor= y and imperfect email storage, can you outline the purposes for which you u= se a patient's / client's ICT remedy? I recall that it's a sometimes cruci= al, supportive intercurrent during treating of severe illness. How else do= you use them? >=20 > Thanks again! > Shannon >=20 >=20 >=20 > On May 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, "Irene de Villiers [email protected] [= beyondhomeopathy]" <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 >>=20=20 >>=20 >> On May 20, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Shannon Nelson [email protected] [beyon= dhomeopathy] wrote: >>=20 >> >=20 >> > Thanks Irene, another wonderful one! >> >=20 >> > Do you have any comments about what remedies you have seen to occur as= ICT, rather than as a traumatic, or illness-based, or ??? "layer"?=20 >>=20 >> Hi Shannon, Thanks.... >>=20 >> As to what ICT types I have seen, there are many and some are a lot more= common than others. This variation in distribution makes it hard to get th= em all documented, it is a huge body of work. >> So I feel I have just started it, despite having spent so many years at = it. It takes a lot of examples to fully confirm what is an ICT feature and = what is not, and how each one is at a specific age. >> ALl this to say - it is early days and impossible yet to say how many ty= pes there are. SO far I can not rule out anything. >>=20 >> The commoner ones - with many individuals to reperesent the ICT - are li= ke those that come up often here, Ars, Lyc, Phos, Puls, Sul, Calc, and some= others. >> Some less common ones are Colch, Spong, Lach, Plat, Stram.=20 >> In-between in incidence frequency are ones like Calc-phos, Ign, Nat-m, S= Il, Sep..... >> I think I so far counted about thirty or so that I have spotted and line= d up with a specific remedy. >> There are many more I am sure, now just sets of inherited traits that re= cur as I know from my prior genetics work but not yet linked with their spe= cific remedy - or maybe a possible link but as yet unconfirmed by enough ex= amples. >> It is just hard to find the links between the inherited trait sets, and = the remedy that correlates to them. I counted actual relevant rubrics in sy= nthesis for some of the known ones, and it is less than one per cent. So it= is not much to go on to make the initial tenuous link to a remedy, before = it can be confirmed using multiple examples in multiple species (difficult = with more rare ICTs) and only then it can be combined into one set of data = that includes the inherited traits plus the matched remedy added ones.=20 >> I know it took me more than ten years to confidently document Plat for e= xample, and when I did, I could then tell that I had missed one right under= my nose for all that time:-)=20 >>=20 >> Sometimes there is one very weird rubric that causes me to suspect a rem= edy association, and following up with hours of rubric study may clinch it,= or may do the opposite. It helps that Synthesis has the rubrics list for e= ach remedy - and that I have the patience to go through ten thousand or mor= e rubrics of a remedy to seek the one percent of rubrics that might pertain= to inherited traits :-)=20 >> Once a match is made, it often gives the feeling of "why did I not see t= hat before", as things start to stick me in the eye. But the initial connec= tion can be hard to make. >> Still, there have to be a lot more to find and confirm. Enough for all t= he sets of genetic traits that go in discrete groups. SO - bottom line I do= not really know how many there are. Yet. >>=20 >> It is all very logical however. It makes perfect sense that we have very= few of certain types of personality - after all, the world turns based on = a proper balance of people with different interests. We need entertainers, = inventors, artists, dictators (eg to manage mass crisis situations and rest= ore order over panic), health care folk, builders, designers, folk in a myr= iad of activity areas, and so on. There is so much logic to how it all work= s together. If you ever lived with a Lach, you'd know why that type is rare= , two of them in one place would be a bit much.....One queen/king requiring= curtseys and assuming regal-style orders will be unquestioned, is enough i= n one environment - there needs to be a good ratio of generals and troops -= or as Lach might see it, - queens and plebs.=20 >>=20 >> Namaste, >> Irene >> -- >> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. >> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it." >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2FD59C44-D4A8-4D85-BF10-FD1737C1E197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>Thanks Ellen, very nice! <div><br><div>Interestingly, when I= considered this case, although Ars was the first that came to my mind -- a= nd I really wanted to give it! -- in the end I became more seduced by Carci= nosin instead, but it did not act, so now I'll go back to Ars. Your n= otes and Irene's give me even more confidence that this is what he needs. &= nbsp;Now if his mom would just go ahead and get it=85</div><div><br></div><= div>Shannon</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 21, 2014, at 5:40= PM, "Ellen Madono <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">ellen.madono@g= mail.com</a> [beyondhomeopathy]" <<a href=3D"mailto:beyondhomeopathy@yah= oogroups.com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br clas= s=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20 <div style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span> </span> <div id=3D"ygrp-text"><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div= ><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia= ,serif;">Dear Shannon,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami= ly:georgia,serif;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam= ily:georgia,serif;"> I thought he is like my son. </div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:georgia,serif;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl= e=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;"><div> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b>Mind; anxiety; health, a= bout</b>:<br><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_aff35671-ac71-66b3= -9888-2b96c3cbc20f gm-spell">absin</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> acet-ac ACON= <span class=3D"gm_ gm_0bd745f6-bf7f-9a1d-a9de-a01a0e129e58 gm-spell">adam<= /span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_e84467c1-fc40-7585-fa14-f= 703ff059866 gm-spell">aeth</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> AGAR AGN aloe alum a= lum-p alum-sil am-c AML-N <span class=3D"gm_ gm_2cf2eaf3-e8fa-aba0-4a9d-409= 1b4282552 gm-spell">androc</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> ant-t aran-ix ARG AR= G-N arist-cl <span class=3D"gm_ gm_b257e8f2-a422-8b5d-2181-849b3b52a7d1 gm-= spell">arn</span> </span></span></span></span></span><b><i>ARS</i></b><span= class=3D"gmw_"> ars-h <span class=3D"gm_ gm_904933e5-cfed-9da4-2f46-7837e7= b07531 gm-spell">astac</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> aur-m aur-m-n aur-s bar-= c bell <span class=3D"gm_ gm_1d705d4a-7873-06d5-14d6-ab3bd9354049 gm-spell"= >blatta</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_1d796b28-9c6a-c44= 8-830a-f1a351462e63 gm-spell">bor</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class= =3D"gm_ gm_e284be30-2b9d-004f-e489-f82e5e1cc71e gm-spell">bov</span><span c= lass=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_0707b87b-bf99-3065-18d8-0b7a422fe504 g= m-spell">brom</span> BRY </span></span></span></span></span><b><i>bufo</i><= /b> CALAD <b><i>CALC</i></b> calc-ar calc-f CALC-P calc-s calc-sil calop-s = cand-a cann-i <span class=3D"gm_ gm_48141023-9ab8-2cf9-0b8b-81f225ee27c3 gm= -spell">canth</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_eb3d2153-6b= ad-5c7b-d77b-92747612ce70 gm-spell">caras</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> carb-= v CARC <span class=3D"gm_ gm_d605d033-621c-c7d2-2e96-6edb022426a0 gm-spell"= >caust</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_ccc86442-e9ab-1600= -9f3e-cbe80f8db201 gm-spell">chel</span> CHIN-AR choc </span></span></span>= <b><i>cinis-p</i></b> clad-r COCC cop corv-c cub culx-p <span class=3D"gm_ = gm_829c655f-7c9f-aeb4-fccf-534275cf9290 gm-spell">cupr</span> <b><i>cygn-c<= /i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> der <span class=3D"gm_ gm_b9ea4f8f-21e8-4eb5-e= fe9-df4431cf9853 gm-spell">electr</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class= =3D"gm_ gm_7a12a306-7fae-8969-da9f-71eaa4a41101 gm-spell">epip</span><span = class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_9802d8d8-d237-2aa7-1a47-1d91a4592eca = gm-spell">euph</span> fic-sp </span></span></span><b><i>FL-AC</i></b> galeo= c-c germ gink <span class=3D"gm_ gm_5085659f-2709-2629-a8d1-4856019801e5 gm= -spell">glon</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_3e181cda-49b= c-2e41-e035-7f724a621907 gm-spell">grat</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> haliae-= lc HEP herp-s <span class=3D"gm_ gm_19813752-9cba-c3d1-e3ef-422871e9fd20 gm= -spell">hist</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_cff07e8f-a52= b-f42e-b408-27cd3fea1462 gm-spell">hyos</span> IGN </span></span></span><b>= <i>KALI-AR</i></b> KALI-BR <b><i>kali-c</i></b> kali-m kali-p kali-sil <spa= n class=3D"gm_ gm_d2bd8d55-fdbf-d9e5-266a-9dd04df9eb80 gm-spell">kreos</spa= n> lac-c lac-eq lac-lup <b><i>LACH</i></b> lamp-c <b><i>lat-h</i></b> LIL-T= LOB LYC m-arct mag-m MED <span class=3D"gm_ gm_f67dd2a5-41b1-58d5-ef72-028= ccbe2a1d3 gm-spell">merc</span> meteo-a micro-a <span class=3D"gm_ gm_e5f15= 7c2-66a0-67ae-a144-d8861591f1d5 gm-spell">morg</span> <b><i>musc-d</i></b> = NAT-C nat-glt nat-m nat-p <b><i>NIT-AC</i></b> nux-m <b><i>NUX-V</i></b> on= c-t oro-ac <span class=3D"gm_ gm_ccbb334a-4ff1-07fd-9649-d494cf6b9b5a gm-sp= ell">ozon</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_0b96cad9-b2fe-c= 60a-7515-e71263f2b670 gm-spell">parth</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span cla= ss=3D"gm_ gm_84eae608-8063-71fa-ff9a-8dbad48a1bbe gm-spell">perl</span> PH-= AC </span></span><b><i>PHEL</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_= gm_cd2bc452-f520-4459-7689-e72ca58237c9 gm-spell">phlor</span><span class= =3D"gmw_"> PHOS <span class=3D"gm_ gm_8ce2c387-9d9b-ae6f-e6bd-17f9ec674aaa = gm-spell">plac</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> plut-n <span class=3D"gm_ gm_46e= 48130-00b8-9f41-bf63-9f88022b4a8f gm-spell">podo</span><span class=3D"gmw_"= > POSIT <span class=3D"gm_ gm_147f42e7-4ca6-f7b7-8799-e0db49d86d52 gm-spell= ">psor</span> </span></span></span></span><b><i>PULS</i></b><span class=3D"= gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_fba085f5-6854-9c09-26e2-7cb5ae7491f2 gm-spell"= >ruta</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_cb69e502-9120-0343-= 5b12-25400e6216e7 gm-spell">sabad</span> scut </span></span><b><i>sel</i></= b><span class=3D"gmw_"> SEP <span class=3D"gm_ gm_ba4c5be2-a9b6-cab6-303f-6= 94f28c7d168 gm-spell">sil</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> sop-m spect <span cla= ss=3D"gm_ gm_20b64b1e-1885-a9cd-e81e-bd23011ea69e gm-spell">spong</span> st= aph </span></span><b><i>sulph</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> SYPH <span class= =3D"gm_ gm_b9c91469-b84d-e58f-fe4b-ec4da380b213 gm-spell">tarent</span><spa= n class=3D"gmw_"> tax <span class=3D"gm_ gm_ac77b981-fe8e-a152-c314-e4bd05a= 2837b gm-spell">tela</span> </span></span><b><i>uran-n</i></b></p><p><b>Min= d; abstraction of mind</b>:<br><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_= 358c2230-ba43-de64-3bef-023b5298aa35 gm-spell">acon</span><span class=3D"gm= w_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_9a5bf25e-9c15-dc78-533f-71c6b080a2a9 gm-spell">a= con</span>-l </span></span><b><i><span class=3D"gm_ gm_989a3e9a-1d7e-1103-0= 6fb-ec8098869fa4 gm-spell">agath</span>-a</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> <spa= n class=3D"gm_ gm_7adc5e93-ee3e-567c-4cec-b25423d134ea gm-spell">agn</span>= </span><b><i>alco</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> ALUM am-c <span class=3D"gm= _ gm_53576340-33d8-5bab-5ffa-6875fe685bfa gm-spell">aml</span>-n ang </span= ><span class=3D"gm_ gm_8ceafbff-278e-40a4-20d2-6e3ffccda775 gm-spell">anh</= span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_d6f58894-ac43-fda2-b78a-15= 51dfa3cd29 gm-spell">arbu</span><span class=3D"gmw_">-m ARN <span class=3D"= gm_ gm_c674c3ff-aa52-5474-9153-b74a2a97b64c gm-spell">aur</span>-m-n bell <= /span></span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_3a2837f6-c6a5-8215-7e9d-1ee2c22930dd gm-= spell">berb</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_498b718e-d184= -4ce6-257b-7dc1be4a81d4 gm-spell">biti</span>-a </span><span class=3D"gm_ g= m_7ddeb538-64b0-2913-89ab-9749d2ae9a99 gm-spell">bov</span><span class=3D"g= mw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_c1409591-51b4-dcf8-14e4-aecd144df7fa gm-spell">= bufo</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_6dc0d4a7-489b-ca56-1= 3fc-345d49702b05 gm-spell">calop</span>-s calx-b </span><span class=3D"gm_ = gm_b31f3620-a1d7-e7c3-0066-3cbcc4124109 gm-spell">camph</span><span class= =3D"gmw_"> CANN-I caps carb-<span class=3D"gm_ gm_674a8573-1572-5a57-856a-6= 132554f8128 gm-spell">ac</span> </span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_02cb85f7-d4b9-= 5028-b951-d14f4db3a064 gm-spell">carc</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span cla= ss=3D"gm_ gm_0028087a-6a26-94e1-0444-869c4e06309e gm-spell">caust</span><sp= an class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_db048894-c74e-b7ca-5319-1efbda5e1e= 1d gm-spell">cer</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_69f1eb88= -ac7b-a815-2dc7-516e18b2bb06 gm-spell">cer</span><span class=3D"gmw_">-c <s= pan class=3D"gm_ gm_4e7cecef-ced9-ddc4-7f22-b2775fc74738 gm-spell">cer-o</s= pan><span class=3D"gmw_"> CHAM <span class=3D"gm_ gm_f8f0321a-1c71-688c-e19= 9-45f9be71cd31 gm-spell">chlam</span>-t choc </span></span></span><span cla= ss=3D"gm_ gm_439150c5-0d64-2c93-2c2a-60ebb36b7f2a gm-spell">cic</span><span= class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_ad1582b8-c476-3e05-5255-891175b2d4ef= gm-spell">colch</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> con <span class=3D"gm_ gm_776f= 29a6-ab98-c3a6-2ff4-4752b1b954ac gm-spell">cortico</span><span class=3D"gmw= _"> CROC <span class=3D"gm_ gm_f4aaedcf-f3c6-312a-025f-7c447b63a52d gm-spel= l">cupr</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_5265cc2f-1d42-f99= 4-4894-c73d6d53c7ff gm-spell">cycl</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class= =3D"gm_ gm_183e6c17-8b56-a356-2b65-18fb26679b38 gm-spell">dys</span>-co </s= pan><span class=3D"gm_ gm_d4336f2a-3614-1f91-d1e5-ebe430d37b62 gm-spell">el= aps</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_8c7dbbc0-16b8-da41-39= dd-e6fc5092f3da gm-spell">euphr</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"= gm_ gm_046fe9b2-4dde-3254-10c4-fa099f0d9ee4 gm-spell">falco</span>-p GRAPH = </span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_497cee76-5fce-89be-741c-621178405c54 gm-spell"= >guai</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_c55611cc-f237-e4d0-= 5e55-f842eea1f9e3 gm-spell">haliae</span>-lc HELL </span><span class=3D"gm_= gm_924c7111-894a-f00f-d488-e06bad435ac9 gm-spell">herin</span><span class= =3D"gmw_"> holm holm-c holm-m holm-n holm-o <span class=3D"gm_ gm_4203f940-= 6aa5-7f3e-0c8d-d86ea83b7dc4 gm-spell">hydrog</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> HY= OS hyper <span class=3D"gm_ gm_3914d955-fb4f-8097-96d6-bc4d26d1b948 gm-spel= l">ictod</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_557d67df-a6c2-ab= 9d-3fec-1731ec8b985e gm-spell">interf</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span cla= ss=3D"gm_ gm_0d1bb7a5-30be-b6bf-e692-cc3340548651 gm-spell">irid</span><spa= n class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_5e893491-1a6e-80c1-a920-21f0a54c5de= 2 gm-spell">kali</span>-c KREOS latex </span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_ad1618f5= -cdad-f5bf-e91f-40db2a3c09e0 gm-spell">laur</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> lav= a-f <span class=3D"gm_ gm_988a7fd1-bc73-9732-c058-42b457d5adbb gm-spell">ls= d</span> LYC </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span= ></span></span></span></span><b><i>lyss</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> mag-c = <span class=3D"gm_ gm_cf0d65c6-c28b-74c8-8f01-be5b2562b13d gm-spell">mang</= span><span class=3D"gmw_"><span class=3D"gmw_"> MERC MEZ <span class=3D"gm_= gm_62afede9-8fe6-00ac-d9da-3384cf0feea7 gm-spell">mobil</span><span class= =3D"gmw_">-<span class=3D"gm_ gm_25885630-d519-e7d9-993f-596f9f6626a6 gm-sp= ell">ph</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_82ab7b26-ebc1-1b0= b-3546-279bb4460ac5 gm-spell">nat</span>-c NAT-M </span></span></span><span= class=3D"gm_ gm_8404e482-5022-d754-27ed-5df4a184f3ac gm-spell">nelu</span>= </span></span><b><i>NUX-M</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> nux-v OENA OL-AN <s= pan class=3D"gm_ gm_ea11c5b6-f825-de67-efd2-f97f51de59bc gm-spell">olnd</sp= an><span class=3D"gmw_"> ONOS op <span class=3D"gm_ gm_6ec2f28e-5e49-aa26-1= 763-9516182d1cd0 gm-spell">ozon</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"= gm_ gm_5dc11fda-dfbd-9908-e2f2-2112891a9459 gm-spell">ph</span><span class= =3D"gmw_">-<span class=3D"gm_ gm_31ebf417-e384-2fbd-5e24-166ac3473d53 gm-sp= ell">ac</span> PHOS plat </span></span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_97f1ffe3-8e91-= 8d16-20d0-bec00cf44304 gm-spell">plb</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span clas= s=3D"gm_ gm_aade6232-9a26-0be1-4787-28624d563903 gm-spell">plut</span><span= class=3D"gmw_">-n <span class=3D"gm_ gm_616ae85b-17de-8c0e-7955-f9c87ae197= 91 gm-spell">psil</span><span class=3D"gmw_">-<span class=3D"gm_ gm_abe9e50= 1-5e64-dbfd-36b2-6f08be751b53 gm-spell">c ran</span>-b </span></span></span= ><span class=3D"gm_ gm_0827fdac-9a4d-6468-cf88-d9fbcad062a6 gm-spell">sabad= </span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_8f4620e5-b2c0-226a-bee0-= 4fa86fe97559 gm-spell">salx</span>-f sars sec </span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_= adc52a51-6692-317b-eb5a-76231a1860bf gm-spell">sil</span><span class=3D"gmw= _"> sile-c <span class=3D"gm_ gm_95b92ed1-e4e4-4e18-c1c9-81e60aef7091 gm-sp= ell">spong</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_531ad358-4638-= d203-21d1-58219d44fb0c gm-spell">stann</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span cl= ass=3D"gm_ gm_1ffbc96b-0919-e60a-0a01-2d1cd3759888 gm-spell">stram</span><s= pan class=3D"gmw_"> sul-<span class=3D"gm_ gm_179b18a3-5cb1-dc6e-41fc-d1e22= 56c787e gm-spell">ac</span> SULPH </span><span class=3D"gm_ gm_34680994-005= c-e71f-bca8-461c1493edca gm-spell">thuj</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> TUB ver= b <span class=3D"gm_ gm_f0632872-7c43-b878-0c98-38dfc90918d1 gm-spell">vesp= </span> VISC</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><div> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><b>Mind; order, desire for<= /b>:<br><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_ gm_f5efbee7-1405-ddce-b34b= -ca9e68ffbb59 gm-spell">anac</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> <span class=3D"gm_= gm_7bd452e9-749f-4222-80ac-a5f406256782 gm-spell">arg</span> ARS </span></= span><b><i>bos-s</i></b> calc calc-i <b><i>calop-s</i></b><span class=3D"gm= w_"> carb-v <span class=3D"gm_ gm_f632711f-ad4a-4172-11df-99af5b86bebd gm-s= pell">carc</span> carn-g cath-a cer-c chir-f culx-p </span><b><i>enal-c</i>= </b> ephe-v fic-m <b><i>fic-sp</i></b><span class=3D"gmw_"> hema-h <span cl= ass=3D"gm_ gm_3b3f6df1-a204-2928-1def-262d8e9cb531 gm-spell">herin</span><s= pan class=3D"gmw_"> hydr-ac kali-c lac-eq lamp-c lant-p <span class=3D"gm_ = gm_63820261-f8fe-7d69-6969-3dccb921d5b9 gm-spell">lsd</span> marm-a nitro n= ux-v </span></span><b><i>plac</i></b> <b><i>plut-n</i></b><span class=3D"gm= w_"> salx-f sep <span class=3D"gm_ gm_11fb1055-0cad-238c-597a-f2408225a26c = gm-spell">sulph</span><span class=3D"gmw_"> tax tour-w ulm-c <span class=3D= "gm_ gm_14369384-0626-dc5e-4c38-22f9f4a9ada7 gm-spell">uran</span> </span><= /span><b><i>vani-p</i></b></p><p><b><i><br></i></b></p><p><b><i>Unknown hyp= er small remedies come after. Calop-s and plutonium. Probably h= ave no physicals in these new <span class=3D"gm_ gm_0947fcde-7d37-ebb9-46c9= -5a663b053b07 gm-spell">provings</span>.</i></b></p><p><b><i><br></i></b></= p><p><b><i>Using facial analysis and classical analysis, I got the Ars answ= er for my son. I doubt that I used the same rubrics as above. T= he above were selected with a bit more distance. The mess is because = he is not focused on the concrete. Can't multitask. Wants the p= arents to even pretend that they were orderly (normal married couple). &nbs= p;</i></b></p><p><b><i>Carc. comes before Ars because of alphabetical order= . And it is a small remedy. So, I would consider it if Ars does= not work. Both are brown according to HFA.</i></b></p><p><b><i>Ars.= made a big difference for my son. He was having rage because others = were not following his hyper-ordered (in the abstract) expectations. = He was about to have a rage fit at the customs official. That's when = I noticed. The official was making a decision that did not make "sens= e." </i></b><br> </p><p><b><i>My son is a math wiz. Words are not forthcoming. H= e comes from a long line of these types who get diabetes and cancer as they= age.</i></b></p><p><b><i><br></i></b></p><p><b><i>Best.</i></b></p><p><b><= i>Ellen</i></b></p> </div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"l= tr"><font face=3D"georgia, serif">Ellen Madono</font></div></div> <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Shannon= Nelson <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> = [beyondhomeopathy] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:beyondhomeopathy= @yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>= ;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span> </span> <div> <div> <div><p>Thanks, Irene! </p><div>Some more questions: </div>= <div><br></div><div> - The ones you have mentioned are mineral or plan= t or (only one?) animal. Have you identified an ICT for any of the no= sodes, e.g. Med, Psor, Syph, Carc, Tub? Or other infective agents? &n= bsp;</div> <div><br></div><div> - What does this phrase mean? "<span style= =3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">inherited traits plus the matched r= emedy added ones.</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">= " What are matched remedy added traits?</span></div> <div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><d= iv><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> - I know you ha= ve explained this in the past, but for my imperfect memory and im= perfect email storage, can you outline the purposes for which you use a pat= ient's / client's ICT remedy? I recall that it's a sometimes crucial,= supportive intercurrent during treating of severe illness. How else = do you use them?</span></div> <div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><d= iv><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Thanks again!</span><= /div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Shannon</span>= </div> <div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On = May 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, "Irene de Villiers <a href=3D"mailto:furryboots@i= cehouse.net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [beyondhomeopath= y]" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blan= k">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div> <br><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> <span> </span> <div><p><br> On May 20, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Shannon Nelson <a href=3D"mailto:shannonnelson= @tds.net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [beyondhomeopathy] wr= ote:<br> <br> > <br> > Thanks Irene, another wonderful one!<br> > <br> > Do you have any comments about what remedies you have seen to occur as= ICT, rather than as a traumatic, or illness-based, or ??? "layer"? <br> <br> Hi Shannon, Thanks....<br> <br> As to what ICT types I have seen, there are many and some are a lot more co= mmon than others. This variation in distribution makes it hard to get them= all documented, it is a huge body of work.<br> So I feel I have just started it, despite having spent so many years at it.= It takes a lot of examples to fully confirm what is an ICT feature and wha= t is not, and how each one is at a specific age.<br> ALl this to say - it is early days and impossible yet to say how many types= there are. SO far I can not rule out anything.<br> <br> The commoner ones - with many individuals to reperesent the ICT - are like = those that come up often here, Ars, Lyc, Phos, Puls, Sul, Calc, and some ot= hers.<br> Some less common ones are Colch, Spong, Lach, Plat, Stram. <br> In-between in incidence frequency are ones like Calc-phos, Ign, Nat-m, SIl,= Sep.....<br> I think I so far counted about thirty or so that I have spotted and lined u= p with a specific remedy.<br> There are many more I am sure, now just sets of inherited traits that recur= as I know from my prior genetics work but not yet linked with their specif= ic remedy - or maybe a possible link but as yet unconfirmed by enough exam= ples.<br> It is just hard to find the links between the inherited trait sets, an= d the remedy that correlates to them. I counted actual relevant rubrics in= synthesis for some of the known ones, and it is less than one per cent. So= it is not much to go on to make the initial tenuous link to a remedy, befo= re it can be confirmed using multiple examples in multiple species (difficu= lt with more rare ICTs) and only then it can be combined into one set of da= ta that includes the inherited traits plus the matched remedy added ones. <= br> I know it took me more than ten years to confidently document Plat for exam= ple, and when I did, I could then tell that I had missed one right under my= nose for all that time:-) <br> <br> Sometimes there is one very weird rubric that causes me to suspect a remedy= association, and following up with hours of rubric study may clinch it, or= may do the opposite. It helps that Synthesis has the rubrics list for each= remedy - and that I have the patience to go through ten thousand or more r= ubrics of a remedy to seek the one percent of rubrics that might pertain to= inherited traits :-) <br> Once a match is made, it often gives the feeling of "why did I not see that= before", as things start to stick me in the eye. But the initial connectio= n can be hard to make.<br> Still, there have to be a lot more to find and confirm. Enough for all the= sets of genetic traits that go in discrete groups. SO - bottom line I do n= ot really know how many there are. Yet.<br> <br> It is all very logical however. It makes perfect sense that we have very fe= w of certain types of personality - after all, the world turns based on a p= roper balance of people with different interests. We need entertainers, inv= entors, artists, dictators (eg to manage mass crisis situations and restore= order over panic), health care folk, builders, designers, folk in a myriad= of activity areas, and so on. There is so much logic to how it all works t= ogether. If you ever lived with a Lach, you'd know why that type is rare, t= wo of them in one place would be a bit much.....One queen/king requiring cu= rtseys and assuming regal-style orders will be unquestioned, is enough in o= ne environment - there needs to be a good ratio of generals and troops - or= as Lach might see it, - queens and plebs. <br> <br> Namaste,<br> Irene<br> --<br> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.<br> P.O. 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