Re: beyondhom Platina Constitutional

"Shannon Nelson [email protected] [beyondhomeopathy]" <[email protected]> Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:31:48 -0500
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My thought is that, even in a water dose, a 200c "should" normally hold for=
 far longer than a few days; to me, this suggests that the remedy is "close=
, but not quite close enough."  I am interested in others' thoughts!

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On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:15 PM, "[email protected] [beyondhomeopathy]" <bey=
[email protected]> wrote:

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> The patient took a Platina 200C water dose, 1 teaspoon, once per day, for=
 4 days.
> Each day they said they felt calmer and slept better and I could tell on =
phone they sounded much calmer.
> Last dose was Friday, I said take no more, so had 4 doses.
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> Sunday, had a period, which was 2 weeks after last period.  Has been havi=
ng a period about every 2 months, extremely light, says "invisible", since =
proving Arnica 2 years ago reversing an endometrial ablation which stopped =
it.
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> Said this period was heavier than the previous ones but not abnormal, mor=
e like periods when younger.and not as heavy as the ones which led to havin=
g an endometrial ablation to stop them.=20
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> Wants to take the remedy again because felt it was very calming and said =
stopped obsessive thinking which is now starting again.
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> Any thoughts if having this period is a proving or resuming a natural men=
strual cycle and normal flow which was stopped from an endometrial ablation=
 but partially restored after proving Arnica?
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> I'm thinking the period came 2 days after last dose, if a proving, should=
 it have happened sooner?
> Other thought is calmness isn't long lasting and needs more frequent dosi=
ng.
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> Susan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: healthyinfo6 <[email protected]>
> To: beyondhomeopathy <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 9:09 am
> Subject: Re: beyondhom Platina Constitutional
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> Good info, Irene.
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> I didn't think this person is ICT constitutional Platina.=20
> The hysteria I've seen is more due to menopause, hormone changes.
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> Irene wrote
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> "The innate features are things Plats all have like not wanting to be in =
a house, feeling better in sunshine, being big boned but having relatively =
small feet for their size, being born very tiny but growing to full and sig=
nificant adult size very young (before teenage years), being very compassio=
nate, but also very intelligent and sure of their knowledge (pedantically s=
o), having broad interests, being physically very active, having a good sen=
se of humor, having no artistic talent for drawing."  ...
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> "Plat needs to have their way, and they will work very hard to get it. Bu=
t if they are thwarted and can not find a way around it, (which they will w=
ork very hard to do) then that is when they can get riled up and potentiall=
y hysterical - especially when young" ...
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> "Plat has no wish to be royal in any way. They want to be acknowledged fo=
r what matters to them regardless what matters to others, (which they do no=
t care about).
> If they do work in specific areas, it will be advanced work and they like=
 that to be acknowledged as good. They know when they are good at something=
, and usually they are good at something"
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> "They do not care how others see them. They are confident in what they co=
nsider their principles of life and stick by them, whatever others think. I=
t has caused them to be called haughty. But the extended interpretation tha=
t they look down on others is a misinterpretation and not a typical Plat fe=
ature.
> It is more that they do what they think is right for themselves and do no=
t care what others think about that."
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> Just the opposite on the physical here, bought big new house, loves being=
 in it, avoids sunshine lots of SPF sunscreen, fair, small boned and very p=
etite, size 0, though heavy on the social injustice, physical activity, hum=
or and some Platina repertory rubrics and what Irene wrote on doing what th=
ey consider their life principles, being right.  Does have some arrogance a=
nd haughty-like behavior.
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> Materia Medica says "Mental symptoms due to suppressed menses", this pers=
on has had an endometrial ablation thus NO menses around 6 years ago which,=
 by accident I reversed by 2 years ago her proving Arnica which is for uter=
ine hemorrhages.=20=20
> The proving caused her to menstruate again a few times, though that has l=
essened possibly due to menopause.
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> Coincidentally has similar blonde hair and attention to beauty and looks =
as Princess Diana and JonBenet Ramsey.
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> Guess ? is, has anyone used Platina for a non-constitutional based on rub=
rics that matched, possibly during menopause?
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> Is there a Platina state w/o being a constitutional like being on birth c=
ontrol, suppressing menses??
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> Are there male Platinas?
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> Susan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irene de Villiers [email protected] [beyondhomeopathy] <beyon=
[email protected]>
> To: beyondhomeopathy <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 5:52 am
> Subject: beyondhom Platina Constitutional
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> On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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> > Can Platina be considered someone's constitutional?=20
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> If it fits their inherited trait set, then yes.
> All constitutional types are innate, as we are born with our innate const=
itutional type. (ICT).
> It can not change.
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> > Have a 52 y/o female who fits well many of the rubrics and is in perime=
nopause.
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> That would not be a good way to look for Plat as an ICT. Rubrics in the r=
epertory are hardly useful at all in Plat, as the normal features of Plat a=
re almost entirely missing.
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> > Some of the rubrics fit this stage of life, hysterical at times.or is i=
t a Platina pathology advancing?
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> Most PLAT ICTs are never hysterical. The hysterical action is only one po=
ssible pathological response in some plat types in some specific circumstan=
ces. Normally they handle stress exceptionally well. Hysteria will occur on=
ly in extreme conditions when something that means everything to them is re=
moved against their will and with their having no control over it. Plat nee=
ds to have their way, and they will work very hard to get it. But if they a=
re thwarted and can not find a way around it, (which they will work very ha=
rd to do) then that is when they can get riled up and potentially hysterica=
l - especially when young. For exampe if someone kills their favorite pet, =
that will set them off, and may cause hysterical behavior. (Injustice upset=
s them in general - injustice to anyone.)
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> The fact that they MAY be hysterical in some specific types of circumstan=
ces, does not make hysterical people all Plats.
> That would be like saying that if you have green shoelaces, then everythi=
ng green is a shoelace.
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> > I remember in school Princess Diana was thought to be Platina.
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> No she was not, wrong physique and personality altogether.
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> > Is Platina behavior innate or more acquired?=20
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> ALL of the Plat permanent and common feaures are innate, but the patholog=
ical ones in the repertory are not innate features but possible susceptibil=
ities that may be shown by one of more Plats.
> The innate features are things Plats all have like not wanting to be in a=
 house, feeling better in sunshine, being big boned but having relatively s=
mall feet for their size, being born very tiny but growing to full and sign=
ificant adult size very young (before teenage years), being very compassion=
ate, but also very intelligent and sure of their knowledge (pedantically so=
), having broad interests, being physically very active, having a good sens=
e of humor, having no artistic talent for drawing.
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> There is a huge difference between the common features of all Plats (like=
 the few listed above), and the potential disease susceptibilities which a =
plat MIGHT have during their lifetime (as are listed in the repertory).
> This applies to all ICTs, not just Plat.
> We get a VERY skewed view in the repertory, as it documents disease susce=
ptibility symptoms rather than ICT features. Some personality features get =
in there almost by accident, adn others get exaggerated pout of all proport=
ion due to misperception or assumption of the person documenting them, but =
it is not the intention to document ICT types in the repertory, and they ar=
e mostly missing as a result.
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> > Thinking little princesses,
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> Not a Plat feature at all:-)
> Plat has no wish to be royal in any way. They want to be acknowledged for=
 what matters to them regardless what matters to others, (which they do not=
 care about).
> If they do work in specific areas, it will be advanced work and they like=
 that to be acknowledged as good. They know when they are good at something=
, and usually they are good at something.=20
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> > beauty pageant children
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> Not a Plat feature either. They do not care how others see them. They are=
 confident in what they consider their principles of life and stick by them=
, whatever others think. It has caused them to be called haughty. But the e=
xtended interpretation that they look down on others is a misinterpretation=
 and not a typical Plat feature.
> It is more that they do what they think is right for themselves and do no=
t care what others think about that.
>=20
> > , like JonBen=E9t Ramsey who may be coerced into that behavior.
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> It was her mother who got her into pageants. Nothing suggesting Plat ther=
e.
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> > For those not familiar, her pic is here and she has a Platina "look"=20
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> Really??? What is a "Platina" look in your opinion?
> And what do you go on to call it one?
> Are you looking at facial feature ratios or what?
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> > Anyone treat a Platina?
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> Yes, four of them.
> One human, two cats, one llama.
> I know of another couple of human Plats but not ones I treated.
> It is NOT a common type at all. It is one of the rare ICTs, but very reco=
gnizable once you have known a few.
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> Namaste,
> Irene
> --
> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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      <p>My thought is that, even in a water dose, a 200c "should" normally=
 hold for far longer than a few days; to me, this suggests that the remedy =
is "close, but not quite close enough." &nbsp;I am interested in others' th=
oughts!<div><br></div><div>Shannon &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br><div=
><div>On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:15 PM, "<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
>[email protected]</a> [beyondhomeopathy]" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:beyondh=
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nt-size: 12px;">The patient took a Platina 200C water dose, 1 teaspoon, onc=
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</span><div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Each day they said they felt calmer =
and slept better and I could tell on phone they sounded much calmer.</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Last dose was Friday, I said take no more, =
so had 4 doses.</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Sunday, had a period, which was 2 weeks aft=
er last period.&nbsp; Has been having a period about every 2 months, extrem=
ely light, says "invisible", since proving Arnica 2 years ago reversing an =
endometrial ablation&nbsp;which stopped it. </div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Said this period was heavier than the previ=
ous ones but not abnormal, more like periods when younger.and&nbsp;not as h=
eavy as the ones which led to having an endometrial ablation to stop them.&=
nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Wants to take the remedy again because&nbsp=
;felt it&nbsp;was very calming and said stopped obsessive&nbsp;thinking whi=
ch is now starting again. </div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Any thoughts if having this period&nbsp;is =
a proving or resuming a natural menstrual cycle and normal flow which was s=
topped from an endometrial ablation&nbsp;but partially restored after provi=
ng Arnica?</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">I'm thinking the period came 2 days after l=
ast dose, if a proving, should it have happened sooner? </div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Other thought is calmness isn't long lastin=
g and needs more frequent dosing.</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">Susan</div>

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<div style=3D"font-size: 12px;">&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

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@aol.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: beyondhomeopathy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 9:09 am<br>
Subject: Re: beyondhom Platina Constitutional<br>
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<div>I didn't think this person is ICT&nbsp;constitutional Platina.&nbsp; <=
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<div>The hysteria I've seen is more due to menopause, hormone changes.</div=
>





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<div>Irene wrote</div>



<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>



<div><em>"The innate features are things Plats all have like not wanting to=
 be in a house, feeling better in sunshine, being big boned but having rela=
tively small feet for their size, being born very tiny but growing to full =
and significant adult size very young (before teenage years), being very co=
mpassionate, but also very intelligent and sure of their knowledge (pedanti=
cally so), having broad interests, being physically very active, having a g=
ood sense of humor, having no artistic talent for drawing."&nbsp; ...</em><=
/div>



<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>



<div><em>"Plat needs to have their way, and they will work very hard to get=
 it. But if they are thwarted and can not find a way around it, (which they=
 will work very hard to do) then that is when they can get riled up and pot=
entially hysterical - especially when young" ...</em></div>



<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>



<div><em>"Plat has no wish to be royal in any way. They want to be acknowle=
dged for what matters to them regardless what matters to others, (which the=
y do not care about).<br>

 If they do work in specific areas, it will be advanced work and they like =
that to be acknowledged as good. They know when they are good at something,=
 and usually they are good at something"</em></div>



<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>



<div><em>"They do not care how others see them. They are confident in what =
they consider their principles of life and stick by them, whatever others t=
hink. It has caused them to be called haughty. But the extended interpretat=
ion that they look down on others is a misinterpretation and not a typical =
Plat feature.<br>

 It is more that they do what they think is right for themselves and do not=
 care what others think about that."</em></div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Just the opposite on the physical here, bought big new house, loves be=
ing in it, avoids sunshine lots of SPF sunscreen, fair, small boned and ver=
y petite, size 0, though heavy on the social injustice, physical activity, =
humor and some Platina repertory rubrics and what Irene wrote on doing what=
 they consider&nbsp;their life principles, being right.&nbsp; Does have som=
e arrogance and haughty-like behavior. </div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Materia Medica says "Mental symptoms due to suppressed menses", this p=
erson has had an endometrial ablation thus NO menses&nbsp;around 6 years ag=
o which, by accident I reversed by 2 years ago her proving Arnica which is =
for uterine hemorrhages.&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>



<div>The proving caused her to menstruate again a few times, though that ha=
s lessened possibly due to menopause. </div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Coincidentally has similar blonde hair and attention to beauty and loo=
ks&nbsp;as Princess Diana and JonBenet Ramsey.</div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Guess ? is, has anyone used Platina for a non-constitutional based on =
rubrics that matched, possibly during menopause?</div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Is there a Platina state w/o being a constitutional like being on birt=
h control, suppressing menses?? </div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Are there male Platinas?</div>



<div>&nbsp;</div>



<div>Susan</div>



<div>&nbsp; </div>



<div>&nbsp; <br>


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[email protected]</a> [beyondhomeopathy] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:beyondhomeopat=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>


To: beyondhomeopathy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
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Sent: Wed, Jul 23, 2014 5:52 am<br>


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On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">health=
[email protected]</a>  wrote:<br>



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&gt; Can Platina be considered someone's constitutional? <br>



<br>



If it fits their inherited trait set, then yes.<br>



All constitutional types are innate, as we are born with our innate constit=
utional type. (ICT).<br>



 It can not change.<br>



<br>



&gt;  Have a 52 y/o female who fits well many of the rubrics and is in peri=
menopause.<br>



<br>



That would not be a good way to look for Plat as an ICT. Rubrics in the rep=
ertory are hardly useful at all in Plat, as the normal features of Plat are=
 almost entirely missing.<br>



<br>



&gt; Some of the rubrics fit this stage of life, hysterical at times.or is =
it a Platina pathology advancing?<br>



<br>



Most PLAT ICTs  are never hysterical. The hysterical action is only one pos=
sible pathological response in some plat types in some specific circumstanc=
es. Normally they handle stress exceptionally well. Hysteria will occur onl=
y in extreme conditions when something that means everything to them is rem=
oved against their will and with their  having no control over it. Plat nee=
ds to have their way, and they will work very hard to get it. But if they a=
re thwarted and can not find a way around it, (which they will work very ha=
rd to do) then that is when they can get riled up and potentially hysterica=
l - especially when young. For exampe if someone kills their favorite pet, =
that will set them off, and may cause hysterical behavior. (Injustice upset=
s them in general - injustice to anyone.)<br>



<br>



The fact that they MAY be hysterical in some specific types of circumstance=
s, does not make hysterical people all Plats.<br>



 That would be like saying that if you have green shoelaces, then everythin=
g green is a shoelace.<br>



&gt; <br>



&gt; I remember in school Princess Diana was thought to be Platina.<br>



<br>



No she was not, wrong physique and personality altogether.<br>



<br>



&gt;  Is Platina behavior innate or more acquired? <br>



<br>



ALL of the Plat permanent and common feaures are innate, but the pathologic=
al ones in the repertory are not innate features but possible susceptibilit=
ies that may be shown by one of more Plats.<br>



The innate features are things Plats all have like not wanting to be in a h=
ouse, feeling better in sunshine, being big boned but having relatively sma=
ll feet for their size, being born very tiny but growing to full and signif=
icant adult size very young (before teenage years), being very compassionat=
e, but also very intelligent and sure of their knowledge (pedantically so),=
 having broad interests, being physically very active, having a good sense =
of humor, having no artistic talent for drawing.<br>



<br>



There is a huge difference between the common features of all Plats (like t=
he few listed above), and the potential disease susceptibilities which a pl=
at MIGHT have during their lifetime (as are listed in the repertory).<br>



This applies to all ICTs, not just Plat.<br>



We get a VERY skewed view in the repertory, as it  documents disease suscep=
tibility symptoms rather than ICT features. Some personality features get i=
n there almost by accident, adn others get exaggerated pout of all proporti=
on due to misperception or assumption of the person documenting them, but i=
t is not the intention to document ICT types in the repertory, and they are=
 mostly missing as a result.<br>



<br>



&gt;  Thinking little princesses,<br>



<br>



Not a Plat feature at all:-)<br>



Plat has no wish to be royal in any way. They want to be acknowledged for w=
hat matters to them regardless what matters to others, (which they do not c=
are about).<br>



If they do work in specific areas, it will be advanced work and they like t=
hat to be acknowledged as good. They know when they are good at something, =
and usually they are good at something. <br>



<br>



&gt; beauty pageant children<br>



<br>



Not a Plat feature either. They do not care how others see them. They are c=
onfident in what they consider their principles of life and stick by them, =
whatever others think. It has caused them to be called haughty. But the ext=
ended interpretation that they look down on others is a misinterpretation a=
nd not a typical Plat feature.<br>



It is more that they do what they think is right for themselves and do not =
care what others think about that.<br>



<br>



&gt; , like JonBen=E9t Ramsey who may be coerced into that behavior.<br>



<br>



It was her mother who got her into pageants. Nothing suggesting Plat there.=
<br>



<br>



&gt;  For those not familiar, her pic is here and she has a Platina "look" =
<br>



<br>



Really???  What is a "Platina" look in your opinion?<br>



And what do you go on to call it one?<br>



Are you looking at facial feature ratios or what?<br>



&gt; <br>



&gt; Anyone treat a Platina?<br>



<br>



Yes, four of them.<br>



One human, two cats, one llama.<br>



I know of another couple of human Plats but not ones I treated.<br>



It is NOT a common type at all. It is one of the rare ICTs, but very recogn=
izable once you have known a few.<br>



<br>



Namaste,<br>



   Irene<br>



--<br>



Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.<br>



P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.<br>



<a href=3D"http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html" target=3D=
"_blank">www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html</a> (Veterinary Hom=
eopath.)<br>



"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."<br>



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