Re: capacity v bandwidth

On Jun 2, 2026, at 6:14 PM, Brian E Carpenter via Internet-history <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> The proceedings of those early meetings are on line as scanned PDF,
> at https://www.ietf.org/meeting/past/
> 
> For example, in the proceedings of IETF 9 (San Diego, March 1988)
> there are ~18 mentions of "router" and ~63 of "gateway".
> (Approximate numbers because there might be OCR errors in the PDF.)
> 
> By IETF 17 (Pittsburgh, May 1990) there were ~94 "routers" and
> ~65 "gateways".
> 
> Somebody asked about very old IETF mail archives. As far as I can tell,
> the IETF has an archive of its main list from Thu, 09 April 1992 01:51 UTC
> onwards, when the list was still at [email protected]. Any earlier archive
> would be of interest and I'm sure they would tack it on.
> 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/?so=date
> 
> (Thence, I was led to my own first-ever message to the IETF list:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/8XWGMC_iHsUWlbsnswyeuo6n_-8/ )
> 
> As of right now, that archive contains 146146 messages.
> 
> Regards/Ngā mihi
>   Brian Carpenter
> 

There is some IETF list mail from December 1989 through December 1990 in the 1990-all <https://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/ietf-mail-archive/ietf/1990-all> file that is part of the collection that was formerly accessible via ftp.  I don’t know of an older online repository for the IETF list. I also find that regrettable.

The oldest mention of ‘router’ I was able to find in tcp-ip list mail that was gatewayed (lol) to USENET news was posted to mod.protocols.tcp-ip by Ron Natalie in 1985 <https://groups.google.com/g/mod.protocols.tcp-ip/c/YZI3-LftuF4/m/ougprRU0kiMJ>.

--gregbo

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