Re: Re: concern at copyright ruling

Carolyn,

Thank you for the nice thoughts you have. As a creator and seller your 
attitude is a good one. And I just wish your conclusion applied in this 
matter. Unfortunately, The whole issue being discussed is well outside 
the experience of the moment; both your own and that of others.

Far from there being a continuity since papyrus, the question developed 
only since the later mid 15th century, with Gutenberg's invention of 
moveable type, and the power of the creator over their own work did not 
begin its slow advance until the Queen Anne Copyright Act of 1710. The 
matter being discussed is whether the recent decision will or will not 
seriously harm the creator's ability to benefit from their work. Buzz, 
or any other marketing, is only of value if copyright is the law of both 
each nation, and recognised jointly by each nation.

Joseph

On 21/03/2013 17:44, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I know this worries many, but it feels as if it's not really worth the
> upset. People have been lending, giving away and reselling books
> since--probably from the first time one was produced on papyrus. From 
> a marketing
> standpoint, it isn't all bad. It gets the word out, gets the buzz 
> going. People
> here about the book and the author. I know this may tick some off (and
> sure, we'd like to make a living from our writing), but we all want to 
> share
> something of ourselves when we write. It's usually part of our 
> motivation.
> I've often said I'd rather have one of my poems published anonymously 
> by Ann
> Landers and have it read by millions than get credit (and royalties) 
> from a
> poetry book and get it read by 100.
>
> Just thinking this is a different way for us to look at it.
>
> Best,
>
>
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> In a message dated 3/21/2013 10:36:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] <mailto:robotech%40eyrie.org> writes:
>
> On 3/21/13, josephHarris <_joe9438-/[email protected] 
> <mailto:_joe9438%40yahoo.co.uk>_
> (mailto:joe9438-/[email protected] <mailto:joe9438%40yahoo.co.uk>) > wrote:
> >
> > The report I read says the Thai student, while in the US, advertised the
> > books, and had his family in Thailand drop ship them to the buyer. The
> > money difference was such that all the costs left a profit at a price
> > below that i n the US. In effect the student never owned them, and was
> > actually running a business for profit with effectively new books, in
> > defiance of a copyright restriction [which must, in my opinion, be a
> > right if the US Constitutional copyright entitlement is truly 
> exclusive].
>
> Can't see as that really makes a difference. Whether he sold them
> before he bought them or after, he (or his agents) nonetheless owned
> them for a period of time between them being sold and them being sent
> on to the people in the USA. It's the same principle as typing in
> _http://amazon.de_ (http://amazon.de/) and logging in with my Amazon.com
> user info to order
> a DVD only available in Germany. He could have bought them first, THEN
> advertised and taken money for them, THEN shipped them and it wouldn't
> have made any difference in terms of the final result.
>
> > The majority assumed this was a matter of profit motive [in any case a
> > requirement under company law], but it is likely something else. WIPO
> > has long been encouraging getting western education books to poorer
> > countries at special concessions - mostly price, of course. This would
> > only be possible with regional licencing, the very thing the justices
> > have weakened. Judge Chin, in the Google Book Agreement case, was more
> > sensitive to international implications and consequences; part of the
> > reason the case is unresolved nearly five years in.
>
> It's not exactly a new issue. Media producers have long understood
> that, in order to make sales to places with much lower per-capita
> income, it had to price its products lower. This wasn't such a big
> deal in the days before the Internet, but even back when they
> introduced DVDs the studios saw the problem looming. That's why they
> implemented that asinine, poorly-thought-out system of regional
> countermeasures--which consumers promptly ignored, thanks to the
> prevalence of region-free DVD players. Restraint of trade through
> means technological--and thanks to the DMCA, technically illegal to
> crack. (Like that ever stopped anyone.)
>
> It's hard to see how this can be solved in a way that doesn't, as I
> noted elsewhere, encourage publishers to move production overseas to
> try to kill the second-hand market. We KNOW how much publishers in any
> medium hate second-hand sales. That's why video game publishers are
> slapping obnoxious DRM on their products (see the recent SimCity
> debacle), so that people can't resell what they buy. I have a hard
> time believing a lot of book publishers wouldn't take advantage of any
> means necessary to require people to buy new only.
>
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