Re: only a constant factor worse than optimal
Lois Patterson <[email protected]> Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:55:03 -0700 (PDT)
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--===============1857442372== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1319493512-785754237-1372892103=:89633" --1319493512-785754237-1372892103=:89633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's Plumpy Nut, a combination of sugar, peanut butter, and milk, that i= s used for malnutrition particularly in Africa, and is quite cheap.=0Ahttp:= //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy'nut=0A=0A=0AI don't think this would be heal= thful as a general staple, though, for adults.=A0=0A=0AItems like lentils c= an be sprouted, and sprouted foods contain nutrients that the original seed= s do not. I can't remember if this aspect was mentioned before or not.=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dave Long <dave.long@bluewi= n.ch>=0ATo: [email protected] =0ASent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 3= :47:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: only a constant factor worse than optimal=0A =0A= =0A> It's well known that you can buy sufficient nutrition for a=0A> dramat= ically lower cost than a normal diet.=0A=0A=0AFWIW, we recently bought a 25= kg animal feed bag of rolled oats for under 20 CHF (~110 ARS for ~400 MJ?)= , and, with Samuel Johnson's definition in mind, tried some.=0A=0AThey're a= ctually very palatable, far better dry than I remember instant oatmeal ever= having been.=A0 We're tempted to take some* home to use for oatmeal or m= =FCesli.=0A=0AHow does this compare to the staples in your spreadsheet?=0A= =0A-Dave=0A=0APS.=A0 Unfortunately I've lost the reference but apparently t= here was a ca. WWI or WWII british cookbook that contained at least one rec= ipe that was called a variation of "life-sustaining glop".=0A=0A* but certa= inly not a bag's worth. Note that for agricultural purposes, this is retail= , not bulk.=A0 Bulk comes palletized, (600-800kg?), and the next step up ar= e large sacs delivered by integrated truck/crane units, followed by trucks = that directly load small silos.=A0 Keep in mind that although bovines and e= quines eating hay prepared with the other species in mind will survive, the= y won't thrive.=A0 But I doubt oats have as many parameters as hay.=A0 Some= differences between livestock and human oats (pace Johnson) seem to be giv= en by: http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/objtwr/imported_assets/content/fcp/cer/oa= t/oat_grain_quality.pdf=0A=0A--To unsubscribe: http://lists.canonical.org/m= ailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss --1319493512-785754237-1372892103=:89633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar= ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>There's Plumpy Nut, a= combination of sugar, peanut butter, and milk, that is used for malnutriti= on particularly in Africa, and is quite cheap.</span></div><div style=3D"co= lor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-ser= if; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><a href=3D"ht= tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy'nut">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy'= nut</a><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px;= font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; = font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size= : 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transp= arent; font-style: normal;">I don't think this would be healthful as a gene= ral staple, though, for adults. </div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0= ); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-col= or: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0,= 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; backgro= und-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Items like lentils can be spro= uted, and sprouted foods contain nutrients that the original seeds do not. = I can't remember if this aspect was mentioned before or not.</div><div><br>= </div> <div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:= 10pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, s= erif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2= " face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dav= e Long <[email protected]><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold= ;">To:</span></b> [email protected] <br> <b><span style=3D"font-= weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 3, 2013 3:47:03 PM<br> <b><= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: only a constant facto= r worse than optimal<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>= > It's well known that you can buy sufficient nutrition for a<br>> dr= amatically lower cost than a normal diet.<br><br><br>FWIW, we recently boug= ht a 25 kg animal feed bag of rolled oats for under 20 CHF (~110 ARS for ~4= 00 MJ?), and, with Samuel Johnson's definition in mind, tried some.<br><br>= They're actually very palatable, far better dry than I remember instant oat= meal ever having been. We're tempted to take some* home to use for oa= tmeal or m=FCesli.<br><br>How does this compare to the staples in your spre= adsheet?<br><br>-Dave<br><br>PS. Unfortunately I've lost the referenc= e but apparently there was a ca. WWI or WWII british cookbook that containe= d at least one recipe that was called a variation of "life-sustaining glop"= .<br><br>* but certainly not a bag's worth. Note that for agricultural purposes, this is retail, not bulk. Bulk comes palletized, (600-800k= g?), and the next step up are large sacs delivered by integrated truck/cran= e units, followed by trucks that directly load small silos. Keep in m= ind that although bovines and equines eating hay prepared with the other sp= ecies in mind will survive, they won't thrive. But I doubt oats have = as many parameters as hay. Some differences between livestock and hum= an oats (pace Johnson) seem to be given by: <a href=3D"http://www.agric.wa.= gov.au/objtwr/imported_assets/content/fcp/cer/oat/oat_grain_quality.pdf" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/objtwr/imported_assets/content/f= cp/cer/oat/oat_grain_quality.pdf</a><br><br>--To unsubscribe: <a href=3D"ht= tp://lists.canonical.org/mailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss" target=3D"_blank"= >http://lists.canonical.org/mailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss</a><br><br><br>= </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html> --1319493512-785754237-1372892103=:89633-- --===============1857442372== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- To unsubscribe: http://lists.canonical.org/mailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss --===============1857442372==--