Re: Re: A washingtonpost.com article from: [email protected]
Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/[email protected]> Sat, 15 May 2004 13:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
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--0-1778224232-1084653624=:48756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe I came out like that..in the way I wrote. The only reason I admire Jayalalitha is for her guts, and because thats a better choice than dynasty. However, I do agree with the fact that castes are now an important factor in anyone voting for any party, ADMK or otherwise. We are out of the frying pan, Rajnikanth, and into the fire, Caste system. Its only getting worse by the day, since you can see how the problem magnifies! Srihari Jai Sivanantham <mail2mayil-/[email protected]> wrote: Hi Srihari, I definitely concur with u in this point of Casteism by various political parties in TN and all over. esp by Ramadoss. It is not a good sign at all. But ADMK is not far beyond in this matter. I am not sure if you choose to ignore it or not aware of it. ADMK is a active supporter of part. community. Many indicators of this are constant good showing by ADMK ( even in this election, ADMK vote share has increased by a few %) in south Tamilnadu and one more fact is around 70+ candidates out of 140 odd Assembly seats are from that community. Is that a coincidence?? It can't be. What is ur say on this??? Jai Hind. Jaimv --- Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/[email protected]> wrote: > Mayil and Sethu, I am quite happy that we are having this > discussion. I am quite as shocked as everyone else is. I > am copying this group [email protected] which I > wish to dedicate exclusively for such discussions, and > request both of you to join the group. > > With Jayalalitha, I agree about poor candidate selection > and also her arrogance combined with the problems of > Rajni and Thirunavukarasu > > However, one other point has been ignored, and atleast > this time Jaya didnt slip into the mire. The point is > casteism. Increasingly we see the Vanniyars forming a > belt and similarly, other castes are increasingly playing > an ugly role in TN politics. So in spite of good things > like teaching the government officers a good lesson, Jaya > lost (not withstanding the problems she herself created) > because of caste....this will be very very ugly a trend > in the future. > > In AP, you have to understand the people were naturally > tired of CBN. He never even showed interest in the rest > of the state, and this was expected. For sometime I > worked with an IAS officer who is a fellow here who told > me how Naidu is interested only in IT and numbers and how > the unscruplous among the beauracracy learnt to fool him > by making up numbers. This angered the people a lot and > they put him down. > > Also, we have been discussing (me and some of my friends, > also in the group) that India did undergo a form of false > growth, where certain populations and groups, especially > the erstwhile middle class is gaining grounds through > strong education which puts them higher up in the work > force and leaves the poor of India behind, with a much > larger gap to share with a much larger group of people. > This effect, a big exaggerated has exacerbated the > situation and was cause to the loss of the election. > > Finally, no one thought they were doing big harm by > playing the poker game of anti - incumbency. Sonia Gandhi > did not win because Indians think being ruled by > foreigners is fine, or because people thought she is > great. It is because people made the stupid mistake of > not looking at the big picture of things. Now it will > appear as if foreign origin is not an issue, which is a > very bad perception. > > We are in the largest mess that we ever could be, and I > always wonder how one man could be so clairvoyant - > Mahatma Gandhi... > > I know I have not addressed all the issues and we have > many more coming as to whether this situation can be > fixed at all or not...and we should beat them out one > after the other. > > Thanks > > Srihari > > Sethu Raghavan <meetsethu-/[email protected]> wrote: > Quite true Mayil, I discussed this with Hari yesterday > and we agreed that its more the foolishness of the > people who voted. > > As you said alliance played a crucial role in all the > states..People normally voted for the local candidate > unmindful of who will become PM. There are some > interesting points to note > > 1.Almost all of the left parties including DMK,MDMK > opposed Sonia because of her foreign origin. Even > Mulayam didnt not support for the same reason in 1998. > Sharad Pawar created NCP because of that reason. Now > see whats happening..no body has any problem with > that.. > > 2.Already left parties started to oppose the > disinvestment of PSU's which are badly managed.If you > have entered one of the PSU's like BHEL you know how > much it stinks...no wonder that BSE lost Rs.52 Billion > in 2 days ... > > 3.I really think that the alliance will not lost for 5 > years. Its a mis-guided attempt to put a foreigner > into the hot seat with nuclear controls.... > > I am also really confused and angry with the > masses...certainly as a person who lived in hyderabad > for one year,I would not vote TDP out of > power...Cyberbad will become cypherbad again. > > Sethu > > > --- Jai Sivanantham wrote: > > Hi Sethu, > > I was waiting to discuss with some one but cud > > nt > > find a person. I wud like to include srihari in the > > loop > > and learn what his views are too. > > > > You wont believe i was shocked after seeing the > > results. > > the first shock was that the DMK had swept polls in > > TN, > > without a single seat for ADMK+. How cud that be > > possible? > > next huge blow was from Central, that vajpayee had > > lost. I > > cant come to terms with the fact Vajpayee is going > > to be > > the Oppn. leader and the worst is some italian maid > > is > > going to be India's PM. To say the least people > > didnt know > > what they wud were doing. I am not a fan of Jaya but > > i > > wanted ADMK+ to win this time due to strong support > > for > > vajpayee. > > > > Atleast some of the reasons for failure in TN were > > 1. Ofcourse the strong alliance of the oppn. > > 2. Poor candidate selection of Jaya. (this is > > evident from > > the fact that dinakaran lost periyakulam by 22,000 > > votes > > compared to other constituencies were the margins > > were > > huge) > > 3. Failure to welcome rajini and thirunavukkarasu in > > the > > active fold of the party. This is not a major factor > > but it > > might have made a diff, u never know > > > > Reasons for failure in South and east for BJP were > > three > > factors > > Alliance, alliance and alliance. > > It was not a vote for sonia gandhi, not a vote for > > vajpayee > > but to the regional parties or anti-incumbency > > factor. DMK > > party as a family party is further emphasized by > > Dhayanithi > > maran's candidature. Karunanidhi continues to expand > > his > > family control over the party and nt a good sign. > > > > I am not at all happy with the way things are going, > > but > > what more can i do? > > > > Jai hind > > > > Jaimv > > > > --- meetsethu-/[email protected] wrote: > > > You have been sent this message from > > meetsethu-/[email protected] > > > as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com > > > > > > Personal Message: > > > Mayil, > > > What do you think?.I miss discussing politics > > with you. > > > Sethu > > > > > > The Upset in India > > > > > > IN 1998, WHEN Atal Bihari Vajpayee took the > > helm of > > > the world's largest democracy, nobody predicted > > the > > > extent of his success or his alignment with U.S. > > > interests. His Hindu nationalist party seemed > > likely to > > > exacerbate tensions with India's non-Hindu > > minorities, > > > inflame relations with Muslim Pakistan and > > generally > > > make India an awkward international partner -- a > > prospect > > > that appeared to come true a few months into Mr. > > > Vajpayee's tenure, when his government defied the > > world > > > by detonating five nuclear bombs. Six years > > later, > > > however, Mr. Vajpayee has improved relations with > > > Pakistan, gone out of his way to forge an alliance > > with > > > the United States and advanced the remarkable > > program of > > > liberalization that has turned India into a star > > economy. > > > But if all that was unexpected, so was > > yesterday's news. > > > Having called an early election to capitalize on > > his > > > apparently robust popularity, Mr. Vajpayee lost. > > > > > > Although the reasons for this upset will grow > > clearer as > > > voting data are analyzed, the dominant theory is > > not > > > encouraging. Mr. Vajpayee is said to have been > > punished > > > for the pro-market reforms that fostered India's > > > high-tech boom; voters in the villages felt left > > out and > > > took their revenge at the ballot box. This > > suggests that > > > even the world's most successful economic > > reformers run > > > big political risks. India conducted poverty > > surveys in > > > 1993 and '94 and again in 1999 and 2000; over that > > > period, the rural poverty rate fell from 37 > > percent to 30 > > > percent, so the idea that the villagers have not > > > benefited from India's growth is spurious. Given > > India's > > > continued boom since 2000, poverty in the villages > > has > > > almost certainly fallen further. Mr. Vajpayee > > apparently > > > got no thanks for this. > > > > > > India will now be governed by a coalition > > dominated by > > > the Congress Party, the political vehicle of the > > Gandhi > > > family. The current Gandhi is Sonia, the > > Italian-born > > > widow of the assassinated former prime minister > > Rajiv, > > > who was himself the son of the assassinated former > > prime > > > minister Indira, who was the daughter of the > > former prime > > > minister Jawaharlal Nehru, who led the country for > > 17 > > > years until his peaceful death in office. Mrs. > > Gandhi > > > and her colleagues can be expected to pursue her > > > predecessor's rapprochement with Pakistan; on the > > > economy, the new rulers are likely to offer less > > > continuity, though the difference may be partly > > > rhetorical. Mr. Vajpayee's reforms are too > > entrenched to > > > be rolled back, but progress in areas such as the > > > privatization of lumbering state-run industries > > may > > > decelerate. > > > > > > The sharpest discontinuity is likely to come in > > > relations with the United States and possibly with > > U.S. > > > allies such as Israel. India has become a leading > > > customer for Israeli weapons technology. With Mr. > > > Vajpayee in office, the Bush administration hoped > > that > > > India might be persuaded to send peacekeepers to > > Iraq -- > > > a remarkable shift from the Cold War, when India > > proudly > > > led the Non-Aligned Movement and seized every > > opportunity > > > to tweak American leadership. The Congress > > Party-led > > > coalition is expected to swing back to traditional > > > anti-Americanism, sounding off against the United > > States > > > at the United Nations and perhaps challenging U.S. > > > influence in the Middle East by launching its own > > peace > > > initiative. All of which would test the Bush > > > administration's reserves of forbearance and tact. > > But > > > then again, who knows? India's democracy excels at > > > defying expert predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you like to send this article to a friend? > > Go to > > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/admin/emailfriend?contentId=A25738-2004May13&sent=no&referrer=emailarticle > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit washingtonpost.com today for the latest in: > > > > > > News - > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > La vie.. > > http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor > > http://yamanoor.tblog.com > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iluIndia/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. La vie.. http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor http://yamanoor.tblog.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. --0-1778224232-1084653624=:48756 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><body> <DIV>Maybe I came out like that..in the way I wrote. The only reason I admire Jayalalitha is for her guts, and because thats a better choice than dynasty. However, I do agree with the fact that castes are now an important factor in anyone voting for any party, ADMK or otherwise. We are out of the frying pan, Rajnikanth, and into the fire, Caste system. Its only getting worse by the day, since you can see how the problem magnifies!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Srihari<BR><BR><B><I>Jai Sivanantham <mail2mayil-/[email protected]></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>Hi Srihari,<BR> I definitely concur with u in this point of<BR>Casteism by various political parties in TN and all over.<BR>esp by Ramadoss. It is not a good sign at all. But ADMK is<BR>not far beyond in this matter. I am not sure if you choose<BR>to ignore it or not aware of it. ADMK is a active supporter<BR>of part. community. Many indicators of this are constant<BR>good showing by ADMK ( even in this election, ADMK vote<BR>share has increased by a few %) in south Tamilnadu and one<BR>more fact is around 70+ candidates out of 140 odd Assembly<BR>seats are from that community. Is that a coincidence?? It<BR>can't be. What is ur say on this??? <BR><BR>Jai Hind.<BR>Jaimv<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--- Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/[email protected]& gt; wrote:<BR>> Mayil and Sethu, I am quite happy that we are having this<BR>> discussion. I am quite as shocked as everyone else is. I<BR>> am copying this group [email protected] which I<BR>> wish to dedicate exclusively for such discussions, and<BR>> request both of you to join the group.<BR>> <BR>> With Jayalalitha, I agree about poor candidate selection<BR>> and also her arrogance combined with the problems of<BR>> Rajni and Thirunavukarasu<BR>> <BR>> However, one other point has been ignored, and atleast<BR>> this time Jaya didnt slip into the mire. The point is<BR>> casteism. Increasingly we see the Vanniyars forming a<BR>> belt and similarly, other castes are increasingly playing<BR>> an ugly role in TN politics. So in spite of good things<BR>> like teaching the government officers a good lesson, Jaya<BR>> lost (not withstanding the problems she herself created)<BR>> because of caste....this will be very very ugly a trend<BR>> in the future. <BR>> <BR>> In AP, you have to understand the people were naturally<BR>> tired of CBN. He never even showed interest in the rest<BR>> of the state, and this was expected. For sometime I<BR>> worked with an IAS officer who is a fellow here who told<BR>> me how Naidu is interested only in IT and numbers and how<BR>> the unscruplous among the beauracracy learnt to fool him<BR>> by making up numbers. This angered the people a lot and<BR>> they put him down.<BR>> <BR>> Also, we have been discussing (me and some of my friends,<BR>> also in the group) that India did undergo a form of false<BR>> growth, where certain populations and groups, especially<BR>> the erstwhile middle class is gaining grounds through<BR>> strong education which puts them higher up in the work<BR>> force and leaves the poor of India behind, with a much<BR>> larger gap to share with a much larger group of people.<BR>> This effect, a big exaggerated has exacerbated the<BR>> situation and was cause to the loss of the election.<BR>> <BR>> Finally, no one thought they were doing big harm by<BR>> playing the poker game of anti - incumbency. Sonia Gandhi<BR>> did not win because Indians think being ruled by<BR>> foreigners is fine, or because people thought she is<BR>> great. It is because people made the stupid mistake of<BR>> not looking at the big picture of things. Now it will<BR>> appear as if foreign origin is not an issue, which is a<BR>> very bad perception. <BR>> <BR>> We are in the largest mess that we ever could be, and I<BR>> always wonder how one man could be so clairvoyant -<BR>> Mahatma Gandhi...<BR>> <BR>> I know I have not addressed all the issues and we have<BR>> many more coming as to whether this situation can be<BR>> fixed at all or not...and we should beat them out one<BR>> after the other.<B R>> <BR>> Thanks<BR>> <BR>> Srihari<BR>> <BR>> Sethu Raghavan <meetsethu-/[email protected]> wrote:<BR>> Quite true Mayil, I discussed this with Hari yesterday<BR>> and we agreed that its more the foolishness of the<BR>> people who voted.<BR>> <BR>> As you said alliance played a crucial role in all the<BR>> states..People normally voted for the local candidate<BR>> unmindful of who will become PM. There are some<BR>> interesting points to note<BR>> <BR>> 1.Almost all of the left parties including DMK,MDMK<BR>> opposed Sonia because of her foreign origin. Even<BR>> Mulayam didnt not support for the same reason in 1998.<BR>> Sharad Pawar created NCP because of that reason. Now<BR>> see whats happening..no body has any problem with<BR>> that..<BR>> <BR>> 2.Already left parties started to oppose the<BR>> disinvestment of PSU's which are badly managed.If you<BR>> have entered one of the PSU's like B HEL you know how<BR>> much it stinks...no wonder that BSE lost Rs.52 Billion<BR>> in 2 days ...<BR>> <BR>> 3.I really think that the alliance will not lost for 5<BR>> years. Its a mis-guided attempt to put a foreigner<BR>> into the hot seat with nuclear controls....<BR>> <BR>> I am also really confused and angry with the<BR>> masses...certainly as a person who lived in hyderabad<BR>> for one year,I would not vote TDP out of<BR>> power...Cyberbad will become cypherbad again.<BR>> <BR>> Sethu<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- Jai Sivanantham wrote:<BR>> > Hi Sethu,<BR>> > I was waiting to discuss with some one but cud<BR>> > nt<BR>> > find a person. I wud like to include srihari in the<BR>> > loop<BR>> > and learn what his views are too. <BR>> > <BR>> > You wont believe i was shocked after seeing the<BR>> > results.<BR>> > the first shock was that the DMK had swept polls in<BR>> > TN,< BR>> > without a single seat for ADMK+. How cud that be<BR>> > possible?<BR>> > next huge blow was from Central, that vajpayee had<BR>> > lost. I<BR>> > cant come to terms with the fact Vajpayee is going<BR>> > to be<BR>> > the Oppn. leader and the worst is some italian maid<BR>> > is<BR>> > going to be India's PM. To say the least people<BR>> > didnt know<BR>> > what they wud were doing. I am not a fan of Jaya but<BR>> > i<BR>> > wanted ADMK+ to win this time due to strong support<BR>> > for<BR>> > vajpayee.<BR>> > <BR>> > Atleast some of the reasons for failure in TN were<BR>> > 1. Ofcourse the strong alliance of the oppn.<BR>> > 2. Poor candidate selection of Jaya. (this is<BR>> > evident from<BR>> > the fact that dinakaran lost periyakulam by 22,000<BR>> > votes<BR>> > compared to other constituencies were the margins<BR>> > were<BR>> > huge)<BR>> > 3. Failure to welcome rajini and thirunavukkarasu in<BR>> > the<BR>> > active fold of the party. This is not a major factor<BR>> > but it<BR>> > might have made a diff, u never know<BR>> > <BR>> > Reasons for failure in South and east for BJP were<BR>> > three<BR>> > factors<BR>> > Alliance, alliance and alliance.<BR>> > It was not a vote for sonia gandhi, not a vote for<BR>> > vajpayee<BR>> > but to the regional parties or anti-incumbency<BR>> > factor. DMK<BR>> > party as a family party is further emphasized by<BR>> > Dhayanithi<BR>> > maran's candidature. Karunanidhi continues to expand<BR>> > his<BR>> > family control over the party and nt a good sign. <BR>> > <BR>> > I am not at all happy with the way things are going,<BR>> > but<BR>> > what more can i do? <BR>> > <BR>> > Jai hind<BR>> > <BR>> &g t; Jaimv<BR>> > <BR>> > --- meetsethu-/[email protected] wrote:<BR>> > > You have been sent this message from<BR>> > meetsethu-/[email protected]<BR>> > > as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Personal Message:<BR>> > > Mayil,<BR>> > > What do you think?.I miss discussing politics<BR>> > with you.<BR>> > > Sethu<BR>> > > <BR>> > > The Upset in India<BR>> > > <BR>> > > IN 1998, WHEN Atal Bihari Vajpayee took the<BR>> > helm of<BR>> > > the world's largest democracy, nobody predicted<BR>> > the<BR>> > > extent of his success or his alignment with U.S.<BR>> > > interests. His Hindu nationalist party seemed<BR>> > likely to<BR>> > > exacerbate tensions with India's non-Hindu<BR>> > minorities,<BR>> > > inflame relations with Muslim Pakistan and<BR>> > generally<BR>> > > make India an awkward international partner -- a<BR>> > prospect<BR>> > > that appeared to come true a few months into Mr.<BR>> > > Vajpayee's tenure, when his government defied the<BR>> > world<BR>> > > by detonating five nuclear bombs. Six years<BR>> > later,<BR>> > > however, Mr. Vajpayee has improved relations with<BR>> > > Pakistan, gone out of his way to forge an alliance<BR>> > with<BR>> > > the United States and advanced the remarkable<BR>> > program of<BR>> > > liberalization that has turned India into a star<BR>> > economy.<BR>> > > But if all that was unexpected, so was <BR>> > yesterday's news.<BR>> > > Having called an early election to capitalize on<BR>> > his<BR>> > > apparently robust popularity, Mr. Vajpayee lost. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Although the reasons for this upset will grow<BR>> > clearer as<BR>> > > votin g data are analyzed, the dominant theory is<BR>> > not<BR>> > > encouraging. Mr. Vajpayee is said to have been<BR>> > punished<BR>> > > for the pro-market reforms that fostered India's<BR>> > > high-tech boom; voters in the villages felt left<BR>> > out and<BR>> > > took their revenge at the ballot box. This<BR>> > suggests that<BR>> > > even the world's most successful economic<BR>> > reformers run<BR>> > > big political risks. India conducted poverty<BR>> > surveys in<BR>> > > 1993 and '94 and again in 1999 and 2000; over that<BR>> > > period, the rural poverty rate fell from 37<BR>> > percent to 30<BR>> > > percent, so the idea that the villagers have not<BR>> > > benefited from India's growth is spurious. Given<BR>> > India's<BR>> > > continued boom since 2000, poverty in the villages<BR>> > has<BR>> > > almost certai nly fallen further. Mr. Vajpayee<BR>> > apparently<BR>> > > got no thanks for this.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > India will now be governed by a coalition<BR>> > dominated by<BR>> > > the Congress Party, the political vehicle of the <BR>> > Gandhi<BR>> > > family. The current Gandhi is Sonia, the<BR>> > Italian-born<BR>> > > widow of the assassinated former prime minister<BR>> > Rajiv,<BR>> > > who was himself the son of the assassinated former<BR>> > prime<BR>> > > minister Indira, who was the daughter of the<BR>> > former prime<BR>> > > minister Jawaharlal Nehru, who led the country for<BR>> > 17<BR>> > > years until his peaceful death in office. Mrs.<BR>> > Gandhi <BR>> > > and her colleagues can be expected to pursue her<BR>> > > predecessor's rapprochement with Pakistan; on the<BR>> > > economy, the new rulers are likely to offer less<BR>> > > continuity, though the difference may be partly<BR>> > > rhetorical. Mr. Vajpayee's reforms are too<BR>> > entrenched to<BR>> > > be rolled back, but progress in areas such as the<BR>> > > privatization of lumbering state-run industries<BR>> > may<BR>> > > decelerate.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > The sharpest discontinuity is likely to come in<BR>> > > relations with the United States and possibly with<BR>> > U.S.<BR>> > > allies such as Israel. India has become a leading<BR>> > > customer for Israeli weapons technology. With Mr.<BR>> > > Vajpayee in office, the Bush administration hoped<BR>> > that<BR>> > > India might be persuaded to send peacekeepers to<BR>> > Iraq --<BR>> > > a remarkable shift from the Cold War, when India<BR>> > proudly<BR>> > > led the Non-Aligned Movement and seized every<BR>& gt; > opportunity<BR>> > > to tweak American leadership. The Congress<BR>> > Party-led<BR>> > > coalition is expected to swing back to traditional<BR>> > > anti-Americanism, sounding off against the United<BR>> > States<BR>> > > at the United Nations and perhaps challenging U.S.<BR>> > > influence in the Middle East by launching its own<BR>> > peace<BR>> > > initiative. All of which would test the Bush<BR>> > > administration's reserves of forbearance and tact.<BR>> > But<BR>> > > then again, who knows? India's democracy excels at<BR>> > > defying expert predictions.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Would you like to send this article to a friend?<BR>> > Go to <BR>> > ><BR>> ><BR>><BR><A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/admin/emailfriend?contentId=A25738-2004May13&sent=no&referrer=emailarticle">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/admin/emailfriend?contentId=A25738-2004May13&sent=no&referrer=emailarticle</A><BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Visit washingtonpost.com today for the latest in:<BR>> > > <BR>> > > News -<BR>> > <BR>> === message truncated ===<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> __________________________________<BR>> Do you Yahoo!?<BR>> SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.<BR>> <A href="http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/">http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> La vie..<BR>> <BR>> <A href="http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor">http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor</A><BR>> <BR>> <A href="http://yamanoor .tblog.com/">http://yamanoor.tblog.com</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>> Do you Yahoo!?<BR>> SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.<BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <BR>__________________________________<BR>Do you Yahoo!?<BR>SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.<BR><A href="http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/">http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/</A><BR></TT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=darkblue> <P align=left>La vie..</P> <P align=left><A href="http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor">http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor</A></P> <P align=left><A href="http://yamanoor.tblog.com">http://yamanoor.tblog.com</A></P> <P align=left> </P> <P align=left> </P></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV><p> <hr size=1><font face=arial size=-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br><a href="http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=24311/*http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/">SBC Yahoo!</a> - Internet access at a great low price. <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br> <tt><hr width="500"> <b>Yahoo! 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