Re: Requesting support for acommunity-wide open le

salam,

i'm not interested in personal insulting anyone. while i'll be quite content as the one who "lies" and "defends" *zionists* (if that will make you happy), i would like you to provide me with just a few reports of any muslims outside of the immediate countries who go into the streets, in protest of injustice done by other muslims?

yes, the peace loving cute anti-capitalist gang (muslim and otherwise) was certainly condemning the u.s. in the 1980s, for being friendly with the evil saddam... but did their condemnations continue after the u.s. became unfriendly with saddam? uhm, no. so, in reality, they did not give a rat's heck about kurds, did they?

and, as one of the many muslims who travel around "for" palestinian causes, perhaps you can tell me the last time there was a documented travel of you speaking for kurds, ogadens, chechens, etc? did you guys really miss the fact that russia murders more chechens in every time it captures the capital... than israel have murdered ALL of this time? or that iraq alone have murdered ten times more kurds than israel murdered of palestinians? why are you guys (those of you muslims who exclusively 'stand up' for palestinians) are so interested in palestinian issues more than other horrible things that take place? double standards, you say i say? hardly!

zionism is pretty sick, but at least i don't have to wonder about it. i know where it is, where it stands and what it wants.

the problem with little fishes (i.e, innocent fishes who swim in distorted oceans) is that they assume you are accusing them and they get all defensive and what not... when in reality you are not accusing them at all but see them as victims of the big, bad fishes :-P

all i'm saying is that people should be careful of following what others say. after all, "peace loving" and "civilized" and pretty "left" germany democratically elected anti-semite hitler. in the same time, they were talking about how savagery the english was being... and how they could "free" oppressed people in africa. some peace loving people, no?

why are really people highlighting israeli oppression only? why are people being hateful to anti-zionist jews, really peace loving people in these movements? why? why? why?

afdhere

Afdhere Jama
Editorial Director
HURIYAH Publications
S A N F R A N C I S C O
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>From: "Na'eem Jeenah" >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Requesting support for acommunity-wide open le >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:15:13 +0200 > >afdhere > >we are sick and tired of you repeatdly accusing us activists of having >double standards!!! quite simply, you don't know what you are talking >about! what makes you think that those of us who stand up for >palestinian rights don't also do activism around kashmir or any other >other situation? and what makes you think that those of us that stand >up for palestinian rights don't oppose Muslim injustices? at least in this >country, if you visited many of the Muslim embassies, you will get very >interesting reports about how much they like certain pro
gressive >Muslim activists because we constantly speak out against their >governments' excesses. how old were you when saddam gassed the >kurds in halabja? do you know how many Muslims opposed that and >protested against it at the time? or the lack of democracy and >freedoms in Muslim countries? or the cases of so-called shariah in >places like nigeria??? maybe you should get off your high horse and >do some work on the issues you feel strongly about rather than >accusing those that are trying to "stand out for justice" as being >hypocrites. you are sick and tired??? well, many of us are sick and >tired of your accusations and zionist apologia! at least those Muslims >who don't speak out the oppression perpetrated by other Muslims don't >make as vigorous defences of them and lie for them as you do for the >zionists. > >na'eem > >On 26
Jan 2004 at 19:11, Afdhere Jama wrote: > > > > > salam, aisha, > > take the kurds, for example. they have lost hundreds of thousands of > > people in just iraq alone. yes, mothers, infants, yes... even gassed > > to death. no one is denying the palestinians have suffered greatly, it > > is just that there are many others... who suffered and continue to > > suffer. and when nobody talks about them, and people just concentrate > > on palestinians, there is something up. i'm sick and tired of how the > > muslims turn a blind eye to muslim oppression of muslims and others... > > just because it is done by muslims. we have muslims, for example, who > > go around crying about what others do to muslims. what about what > > muslims do to other muslims? apparently, one needs to clean other > > people's houses befor
e they attempt to look at their mess. and i'm > > more sick and tired of people in the west in their cute safety nets... > > jumping up and down about oppression, with nothing but hate against > > others... in disguise for peace. and, no, sister aisha, palestinians > > have seen way more than their share of pain. they live in horrible > > conditions... forever facing a holocaust. unfortunately, these govts > > sanction and pay for lots of pain around the world. again, the kurds > > weren't oppressed by a madman in baghdad alone. afdhere > > > > > > > > Afdhere Jama > > >_______________________________________________ >ProgressiveMuslims mailing list >[email protected] >http://willo.nitric.co.za/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/progressivemuslims

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