Re: RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #366 - 5 msgs

Hi y2,

My dad always talked about the citation dealing with how we're prone to 
guidance and how that guidance can lead us astray if from the shaytaan. I 
remember in the last few years how this seemed to get organized  in my head 
as analogous to original sin, not in the sense that we'll be punished be 
caused we CAN be led astray, rather we'll be punished WHEN we allow 
ourselves to be lead astray.

I'm super tired but would love if anyone knows off the top of your head 
where in the Quran i could kind this idea "prone to guidance, prone to be 
led stray", le me know. also let me know if I've conflated my sources.


-Moo

--On Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:12 PM -0500 y2 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Salaams Charity,
>
> I think most of us know that we  are born free of sin and are not
> responsible for past actions of other people.  I wonder if there is an
> Islamic term to describe this 'orignal sin.'  In either case, I was simple
> stating the name of the event without any Christian connotation associated
> with it.
>
> Thanks for pointing it out though.
>
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: "Caridad" <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE:
> > ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #364 - 9 msgs
> > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:49:53 -0500
> > Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> > Salaam aleikum,
> >
> > I'm new here to some of you and am a returned member for
> > those of you who
> > remember me from before.  I just got back from living in
> > Southern Africa (a
> > fabulous 9 months . . . I so wish I could just settle there), so have
> > returned to the list.
> >
> > I would like to respond to just one thing that y2 said:
> >
> > > I'm always reminded of a the 'original sin'.  God told Adam
> > do not eat
> > from
> > > this tree.  God did NOT give Adam a reason like the tree is
> > poisoness or
> > the
> > > tree will affect your state of mind...God simply gave Adam
> > a direct order.
> > > Adam/Eve eventually ate from the tree, and that was the
> > original sin.  A
> > > simple insignificant innocent act of eating a fruit.
> > >
> > > The orignal sin was not rape, murder, theft...It was
> > disobeying a simple
> > > insignificant order from God.  But it was more than that wasn't it.
> >
> > Charity's comment:
> >
> > I wanted to point out that original sin is actually a
> > Christian theological
> > concept.  Muslims believe that all people are born with
> > innate goodness:
> > Fitrah.  This theological concept says that ALL people are
> > born muslim (with
> > a little 'm': submission to the Divine), with the innate
> > nature to do good
> > and worship the One God, Allah.  The theological concept of
> > original sin
> > says that ALL people are born with this inherited original sin which
> > required the 'sacrifice' of Jesus to absolve, as well as the idea that
> > peoples' inherant nature is to choose to sin.  There is NO concept of
> > original sin in Islam.  We 'people' are responsible for our
> > own actions, not
> > those of Adam, Eve, or any other predecesor.
> > I have to say this difference is one of the main reasons for
> > my choosing to
> > be a Muslim.  For me it makes alot more sense . . . I like to
> > meet people
> > and give them the benefit of the doubt.  In most cases I find
> > that people
> > are genuine, not out to hurt me or others consciously, etc.
> > It is more in
> > tune with my innate optimism.  With the idea of original sin,
> > it means that
> > I would meet new people with the idea that this person's
> > innate choice will
> > be evil, doing bad, trying to hurt, etc.  So for me, the
> > Muslim concept of
> > Fitrah is constantly reinforced in my contemplation of and
> > experience in
> > Creation.
> >
> > I just wanted to make my voice heard :)  he he he, and say
> > hello to some of
> > the familiar faces here!
> >
> > -Charity
> >
>
>
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