Re: on original sin

salaam,

how is that orginal sin?  the idea is not to "prove" we are worthy.  the
idea is to live our life well and make the choice to do good.  the idea that
each of us bears our own burden and no on else's burden is central.

masalaama,

itrath

 2/5/04 6:37 PM, Afdhere Jama at [email protected] wrote:

> 
> salam, 
> 
> actually, original sin is as much part of islam as it is in christianity. and
> in many sense, far more "driven" in islam than it is in christiantiy.
> 
> while christianity blames us for adam, the qur'an actually sort of blames all
> of mankind. for example, 7:172 of the qur'an talks about bring us all from the
> future... to bear witness of god's existance and oneness. and then in 33:72,
> the qur'an talks about mankind choosing the responsiblity to choose, which all
> of the other creations apparently refused.
> 
> also, in the qur'an, god warned adam and eve not to approach the tree or that
> they would be of the devil. so the choice was actually all theirs.
> 
> that said, traditional islam teaches that the world is 'transit' and that we
> are here to 'prove' ourselves to god--- that yes, god is one... that yes, we
> can follow god's orders, etc.
> 
> yes, we don't walk around saying "oh, we are so sinful" ... and yes, each
> individual is responsible for their actions. this is because god forgave adam
> and eve and hence we all have a 'second' chance to "prove" ourselves.
> 
> i think the 'original sin' is more of a abrahamic-faith rather than
> 'christianity' or 'islam' or whatever.
> 
> 
> 
> afdhere
> 
> 
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>> From: "Caridad" >Reply-To: [email protected] >To:
>> [email protected] >Subject: Re:
>> [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #364 - 9
>> msgs >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:49:53 -0500 > >Salaam aleikum, > >I'm new here
>> to some of you and am a returned member for those of you who >remember me
>> from before. I just got back from living in Southern Africa (a >fabulous 9
>> months . . . I so wish I could just settle there), so have >returned to the
>> list. > >I would like to respond to just one thing that y2 said: > > > I'm
>> always reminded of a the 'original sin'. God told Adam do not eat >from > >
>> this tree. God did NOT give Adam a reason like the tree is poisoness or >the
>> > > tree will affect your state of mind...God simply gave Adam a direct
>> order. > > Adam/Eve eventually ate from the tree, and that was the original
>> sin. A > > simple insignificant innocent act of eating a fruit. > > > > The
>> orignal sin was not rape, murder, theft...It was disobeying a simple > >
>> insignificant order from God. But it was more than that wasn't it. >
>> >Charity's comment: > >I wanted to point out that original sin is actually a
>> Christian theological >concept. Muslims believe that all people are born with
>> innate goodness: >Fitrah. This theological concept says that ALL people are
>> born muslim (with >a little 'm': submission to the Divine), with the innate
>> nature to do good >and worship the One God, Allah. The theological concept of
>> original sin >says that ALL people are born with this inherited original sin
>> which >required the 'sacrifice' of Jesus to absolve, as well as the idea that
>> >peoples' inherant nature is to choose to sin. There is NO concept of
>> >original sin in Islam. We 'people' are responsible for our own actions, not
>> >those of Adam, Eve, or any other predecesor. >I have to say this difference
>> is one of the main reasons for my choosing to >be a Muslim. For me it makes
>> alot more sense . . . I like to meet people >and give them the benefit of the
>> doubt. In most cases I find that people >are genuine, not out to hurt me or
>> others consciously, etc. It is more in >tune with my innate optimism. With
>> the idea of original sin, it means that >I would meet new people with the
>> idea that this person's innate choice will >be evil, doing bad, trying to
>> hurt, etc. So for me, the Muslim concept of >Fitrah is constantly reinforced
>> in my contemplation of and experience in >Creation. > >I just wanted to make
>> my voice heard :) he he he, and say hello to some of >the familiar faces
>> here! > >-Charity > > >_______________________________________________
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